Inerrant......or is it?

[Ozzy_O]

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Luke 1:5-6
5 In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron. 6 Both of them were righteous in the sight of God, observing all the Lords commands and decrees blamelessly

Mark 2:17
When Jesus heard it, He said to them, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance."

Everyone isn't a sinner
There are those who are capable of obeying God, that's what scripture says.


So why did Jesus have to die?

(I'm not interested in you posting someone's opinion from a commentary somewhere)

[JoeyKnothead]

It really comes down to how the term is defined. In the general population it can be from 3-9% https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28628371/

The Pope said among priests, it is 2%. Other studies have estimated priests at 3%, but this really depends on the definition. If we include ages 13-15 then the percent goes up, but pedophilia is mostly defined as pre-pubescent, so more like 12 and younger.

Attraction to teens would be hebephilia, which is also an issue in the church and in the general population.

One might think it has to do with priests being celibate, but no. Among the general population most pedos are married men.

The demographics of sex offenders mirror the demographics of America. That means no racial group, educational level, or income bracket is more or less likely to be a sex offender than any other. And sex offenders are as likely to be married or married and divorced as other American men. https://stopabusecampaign.org/2017/03/1 ... erosexual/

Now do what percentage of the population works to cover up these crimes and ship folks to other cities, versus the Catholic church doing the same with priests.

Oh, and declaring bankruptcy to protect assets from victims seeking compensation.

Notice here there's little to no outrage that Catholic clergy were involved, just a presentation of numbers and percentages. It ignores the suffering of victims to paint them as some sort of statistical anomaly.

But yeah, them Jews sure are gonna have to work extra hard on that whole purgatory thing.

[Shem Yoshi]

It really comes down to how the term is defined. In the general population it can be from 3-9% https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28628371/

The Pope said among priests, it is 2%. Other studies have estimated priests at 3%, but this really depends on the definition. If we include ages 13-15 then the percent goes up, but pedophilia is mostly defined as pre-pubescent, so more like 12 and younger.

Attraction to teens would be hebephilia, which is also an issue in the church and in the general population.

One might think it has to do with priests being celibate, but no. Among the general population most pedos are married men.

The demographics of sex offenders mirror the demographics of America. That means no racial group, educational level, or income bracket is more or less likely to be a sex offender than any other. And sex offenders are as likely to be married or married and divorced as other American men. https://stopabusecampaign.org/2017/03/1 ... erosexual/

Now do what percentage of the population works to cover up these crimes and ship folks to other cities, versus the Catholic church doing the same with priests.

Oh, and declaring bankruptcy to protect assets from victims seeking compensation.

Notice here there's little to no outrage that Catholic clergy were involved, just a presentation of numbers and percentages. It ignores the suffering of victims to paint them as some sort of statistical anomaly.

But yeah, them Jews sure are gonna have to work extra hard on that whole purgatory thing.

I suppose you can have your opinion of what is right and wrong, but a Catholic Priest is meant to forgive people for sins. We might agree the child abuse is wrong, but the Catholic Church in concealing and forgiving I dont think they are wrong for that. It is the government that requires mandatory reporting.

I certainly dont think forgiving someone is wrong, only a person that is against the message of Christ would think that.

Pedophilia on the other hand, is something a lot of people are quick to point to as wrong, but i think a lot of people dont have ground to stand on when they do that, they are just going along with social norms.

[JoeyKnothead]

It really comes down to how the term is defined. In the general population it can be from 3-9% https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28628371/

The Pope said among priests, it is 2%. Other studies have estimated priests at 3%, but this really depends on the definition. If we include ages 13-15 then the percent goes up, but pedophilia is mostly defined as pre-pubescent, so more like 12 and younger.

Attraction to teens would be hebephilia, which is also an issue in the church and in the general population.

One might think it has to do with priests being celibate, but no. Among the general population most pedos are married men.

The demographics of sex offenders mirror the demographics of America. That means no racial group, educational level, or income bracket is more or less likely to be a sex offender than any other. And sex offenders are as likely to be married or married and divorced as other American men. https://stopabusecampaign.org/2017/03/1 ... erosexual/

Now do what percentage of the population works to cover up these crimes and ship folks to other cities, versus the Catholic church doing the same with priests.

Oh, and declaring bankruptcy to protect assets from victims seeking compensation.

Notice here there's little to no outrage that Catholic clergy were involved, just a presentation of numbers and percentages. It ignores the suffering of victims to paint them as some sort of statistical anomaly.

But yeah, them Jews sure are gonna have to work extra hard on that whole purgatory thing.

I suppose you can have your opinion of what is right and wrong, but a Catholic Priest is meant to forgive people for sins. We might agree the child abuse is wrong, but the Catholic Church in concealing and forgiving I dont think they are wrong for that. It is the government that requires mandatory reporting.

Pedophilia is something a lot of people are quick to point to as an objective wrong, but i think a lot of people dont have ground to stand on when they do that, they are just going along with social norms.

Why's everyone defending pedophiles all of a sudden? Did I miss a memo or something?

[Shem Yoshi]

It really comes down to how the term is defined. In the general population it can be from 3-9% https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28628371/

The Pope said among priests, it is 2%. Other studies have estimated priests at 3%, but this really depends on the definition. If we include ages 13-15 then the percent goes up, but pedophilia is mostly defined as pre-pubescent, so more like 12 and younger.

Attraction to teens would be hebephilia, which is also an issue in the church and in the general population.

One might think it has to do with priests being celibate, but no. Among the general population most pedos are married men.

The demographics of sex offenders mirror the demographics of America. That means no racial group, educational level, or income bracket is more or less likely to be a sex offender than any other. And sex offenders are as likely to be married or married and divorced as other American men. https://stopabusecampaign.org/2017/03/1 ... erosexual/

Now do what percentage of the population works to cover up these crimes and ship folks to other cities, versus the Catholic church doing the same with priests.

Oh, and declaring bankruptcy to protect assets from victims seeking compensation.

Notice here there's little to no outrage that Catholic clergy were involved, just a presentation of numbers and percentages. It ignores the suffering of victims to paint them as some sort of statistical anomaly.

But yeah, them Jews sure are gonna have to work extra hard on that whole purgatory thing.

I suppose you can have your opinion of what is right and wrong, but a Catholic Priest is meant to forgive people for sins. We might agree the child abuse is wrong, but the Catholic Church in concealing and forgiving I dont think they are wrong for that. It is the government that requires mandatory reporting.

Pedophilia is something a lot of people are quick to point to as an objective wrong, but i think a lot of people dont have ground to stand on when they do that, they are just going along with social norms.

Why's everyone defending pedophiles all of a sudden? Did I miss a memo or something?

Well Jesus Christ forgave people for killing him, that we ought to forgive others. And I think Pedophilia is one crime our society is unforgiving about. Even here you are suggesting it.... But I dont believe God is unforgiving about it, in fact I believe the world is guilty of sexual immorality and they accuse in hypocrisy.

And surely the statistics show piest are no more likely to do this sin then the general public, and I would bet money that the general public isnt going and confessing their sins like the priests are. The general public lives in hypocrisy on the matter.

[JoeyKnothead]

Why's everyone defending pedophiles all of a sudden? Did I miss a memo or something?

...
And surely the statistics show piest are no more likely to do this sin then the general public, and I would bet money that the general public isnt going and confessing their sins like the priests are. The general public lives in hypocrisy on the matter.

1. Pedophile a kid
2. Confess to it
3. Shipped elsewhere to ply your pedophile trade

Have I entered the twilight zone?

In this thread we have Catholic pedophile priests being protected from prosecution, and folks defending them, while in another thread we've got the Muslim Jesus being a pedophile, and folks defending him.

Someone, anyone, please tell me what the heck is so broken within me, that I think diddling little kids is wrong no matter who it is doing it.

[TRANSPONDER]

Why's everyone defending pedophiles all of a sudden? Did I miss a memo or something?

...
And surely the statistics show piest are no more likely to do this sin then the general public, and I would bet money that the general public isnt going and confessing their sins like the priests are. The general public lives in hypocrisy on the matter.

1. Pedophile a kid
2. Confess to it
3. Shipped elsewhere to ply your pedophile trade

Have I entered the twilight zone?

In this thread we have Catholic pedophile priests being protected from prosecution, and folks defending them, while in another thread we've got the Muslim Jesus being a pedophile, and folks defending him.

Someone, anyone, please tell me what the heck is so broken within me, that I think diddling little kids is wrong no matter who it is doing it.

It's clear what is going on here - trying to excuse the Vatican. It is irrelevant how much of a crime paedophilia is,or how forgivable it might be. It ought to be the same for everyone, including any churchmen. And the Vatican has acted like they are above the Law. And our pal here is making excuses for them. Now that doesn't make Christianity wrong, or untrue. I have not favoured moral finger -pointing as the criterion for whether a thing is true or not. But a system that tries to cover - up is corrupt. And trying to excuse it is part of the corruption.

[Tcg]

The Pope said among priests, it is 2%.

The Pope? That'd be like asking the fox to admit how many chickens it has taken from the henhouse.


Tcg

[Shem Yoshi]

Why's everyone defending pedophiles all of a sudden? Did I miss a memo or something?

...
And surely the statistics show piest are no more likely to do this sin then the general public, and I would bet money that the general public isnt going and confessing their sins like the priests are. The general public lives in hypocrisy on the matter.

1. Pedophile a kid
2. Confess to it
3. Shipped elsewhere to ply your pedophile trade

Have I entered the twilight zone?

In this thread we have Catholic pedophile priests being protected from prosecution, and folks defending them, while in another thread we've got the Muslim Jesus being a pedophile, and folks defending him.

Someone, anyone, please tell me what the heck is so broken within me, that I think diddling little kids is wrong no matter who it is doing it.

It's clear what is going on here - trying to excuse the Vatican. It is irrelevant how much of a crime paedophilia is,or how forgivable it might be. It ought to be the same for everyone, including any churchmen. And the Vatican has acted like they are above the Law. And our pal here is making excuses for them. Now that doesn't make Christianity wrong, or untrue. I have not favoured moral finger -pointing as the criterion for whether a thing is true or not. But a system that tries to cover - up is corrupt. And trying to excuse it is part of the corruption.

The function of the priest is to forgive, that is what confession is about. There is probably a gambit of immoral and illegal things that are confessed during confession... If you confess to the police they would arrest you because that is their function. However there are many roles, if you confess a grievance crime to a lawyer, like murder, they are not legally bound to report you. No one is complaining that lawyers are not revealing their clients crimes, because it is their function to defend their rights. The function of confession to a priest is to be forgiven.

You can literally confess anything to a lawyer, and not only are they not obligated to report you, but they are obligated to not report you and defend you in the court of law... No one is complaining about that.

"One of the hallmarks of an attorney's relationship with a client is your privilege of telling him or her anything you want and he or she cannot repeat it. This is true of all types of law practices, not just criminal defense."

[JoeyKnothead]

The function of the priest is to forgive, that is what confession is about. There is probably a gambit of immoral and illegal things that are confessed during confession... If you confess to the police they would arrest you because that is their function. However there are many roles, if you confess a grievance crime to a lawyer, like murder, they are not legally bound to report you. No one is complaining that lawyers are not revealing their clients crimes, because it is their function to defend their rights. The function of confession to a priest is to be forgiven.

You can literally confess anything to a lawyer, and not only are they not obligated to report you, but they are obligated to not report you and defend you in the court of law... No one is complaining about that.

"One of the hallmarks of an attorney's relationship with a client is your privilege of telling him or her anything you want and he or she cannot repeat it. This is true of all types of law practices, not just criminal defense."

A lawyer can be liable if he's included in the crimes he discusses.

1. Be priest
2. Do pedophile
3. Confess to pedophile priest
4. Forgiven and shipped off to continue pedophiling

I just don't understand this need by some of our theists to justify allowing a pedophile priest to be sent elsewhere to continue their crimes.

I reckon if the priest shoots someone on 5th Avenue he'll be sainted upon his confession.

[Shem Yoshi]

The function of the priest is to forgive, that is what confession is about. There is probably a gambit of immoral and illegal things that are confessed during confession... If you confess to the police they would arrest you because that is their function. However there are many roles, if you confess a grievance crime to a lawyer, like murder, they are not legally bound to report you. No one is complaining that lawyers are not revealing their clients crimes, because it is their function to defend their rights. The function of confession to a priest is to be forgiven.

You can literally confess anything to a lawyer, and not only are they not obligated to report you, but they are obligated to not report you and defend you in the court of law... No one is complaining about that.

"One of the hallmarks of an attorney's relationship with a client is your privilege of telling him or her anything you want and he or she cannot repeat it. This is true of all types of law practices, not just criminal defense."

A lawyer can be liable if he's included in the crimes he discusses.

1. Be priest
2. Do pedophile
3. Confess to pedophile priest
4. Forgiven and shipped off to continue pedophiling

I just don't understand this need by some of our theists to justify allowing a pedophile priest to be sent elsewhere to continue their crimes.

I reckon if the priest shoots someone on 5th Avenue he'll be sainted upon his confession.

I have no problems with police charging and prosecuting pedophiles, I just dont feel like the catholic priest role to do that. In fact the catholic priest can not play the role of the police. Confession is a holy sacrament. If priests were convicting every criminal that came to confession, that holy sacrament is useless.