Christianity's Biggest Problem Yet?

[POI]

Below is a 20 minute video. For the ones who opt not to watch, I'll start with the following question? (Which may then lead to many others, as this is a fairly new concept of thought for me)....

Why does YHWH allow for so much animal suffering? Before you Christians answer, I trust you are already aware of this guy's counter points?

[AquinasForGod]

You asked why the angel being roamed free on earth. He didnt become satan and devil until he rebelled. He was in good standing until then.

Are you saying that Satan was in good standing when he was allowed access to the garden and that he rebelled later?

Genesis 3: Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.

How does that sit with your explanation. And, you still haven't explained why God cursed the serpent but did nothing to Satan.

The serpent here is a metaphor for Satan. Satan is permitted to test us so that we are tempted with the evils we need to overcome by the power of God in us.

[JoeyKnothead]

So, you've seen God?

You've met God?

Why should anyone trust your claim?

No, but he has answered my prayers. One can see that occurring.

Now we're down to anecdotal evidence - a highly unreliable means of establishing truth.

We're left to ponder not only the nature of these prayers, but how we can confirm some god felt you were special enough he'd answer your prayers, but not those of amputees.

[POI]

They dont know when the dinosaurs were here exactly. The bible doesn't mention them on earth while mankind was here.

Do you deny paleontology? Dinosaurs ate other dinosaurs, and went extinct well before humans came onto the scene. (http://www.nature.com/articles/news030331-7). So your faith based assertion, that all species were veges, prior to the fall, is wrong.

I was referring to the animals on earth when mortals were here, until after the flood they all ate vegetation.

So the dinosaurs ate each other then? Why would they do this before the fall?

I dont know what dinosaurs ate. i never saw one or met one.

Did you see the link I sent you? Science says they ate each other. --> (http://www.nature.com/articles/news030331-7)

If evil did not come into play, until after the "fall of man", why would dinosaurs 'suffer'?

[kjw47]

You asked why the angel being roamed free on earth. He didnt become satan and devil until he rebelled. He was in good standing until then.

Are you saying that Satan was in good standing when he was allowed access to the garden and that he rebelled later?

Genesis 3: Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.

How does that sit with your explanation. And, you still haven't explained why God cursed the serpent but did nothing to Satan.

God appointed that angel over the Garden. Genesis 3:15 proves it was about the devil. The devil bruised Jesus in the heel, Jesus bruised him in the head.

[kjw47]

So, you've seen God?

You've met God?

Why should anyone trust your claim?

No, but he has answered my prayers. One can see that occurring.

Now we're down to anecdotal evidence - a highly unreliable means of establishing truth.

We're left to ponder not only the nature of these prayers, but how we can confirm some god felt you were special enough he'd answer your prayers, but not those of amputees.

Gods kingdom rule promises to fix it all.

[kjw47]

They dont know when the dinosaurs were here exactly. The bible doesn't mention them on earth while mankind was here.

Do you deny paleontology? Dinosaurs ate other dinosaurs, and went extinct well before humans came onto the scene. (http://www.nature.com/articles/news030331-7). So your faith based assertion, that all species were veges, prior to the fall, is wrong.

I was referring to the animals on earth when mortals were here, until after the flood they all ate vegetation.

So the dinosaurs ate each other then? Why would they do this before the fall?

I dont know what dinosaurs ate. i never saw one or met one.

Did you see the link I sent you? Science says they ate each other. --> (http://www.nature.com/articles/news030331-7)

If evil did not come into play, until after the "fall of man", why would dinosaurs 'suffer'?

those same scientists would say the Lions on the ark ate meat as well, but they would be wrong.

[POI]

those same scientists would say the Lions on the ark ate meat as well, but they would be wrong.

You are avoiding the issue. The link demonstrates how scientists know dinosaurs ate each other. It's not just a claim, in which they pulled out of their keisters.

So, why would dinosaurs suffer BEFORE the fall of man?

[JoeyKnothead]

Gods kingdom rule promises to fix it all.

Having admitted you never met God, how might we confirm you speak truth in this new claim of yours?

It's downright goofy how so many theists on this site think that just presenting pile upon steaming pile of claim upon claim upon claim is somehow presenting evidence for any of it.

[brunumb]

You asked why the angel being roamed free on earth. He didnt become satan and devil until he rebelled. He was in good standing until then.

Are you saying that Satan was in good standing when he was allowed access to the garden and that he rebelled later?

Genesis 3: Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.

How does that sit with your explanation. And, you still haven't explained why God cursed the serpent but did nothing to Satan.

God appointed that angel over the Garden. Genesis 3:15 proves it was about the devil. The devil bruised Jesus in the heel, Jesus bruised him in the head.

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Where does it say God appointed the angel (who became Satan) over the garden? Also, not seeing Jesus or Satan in that passage. Care to explain?

[William]

[Replying to POI in post #447]

So, why would dinosaurs suffer BEFORE the fall of man?

I think the problem is sourced within the belief that Adam was the First human that YHVH created.

Thus, religious tradition - in conflating the two biblical creation stories - find it impossible to integrate what science-based theory has revealed, with creation theory.

Even so - the dinosaur epoch happened way before YVHV created Humans - in the manner science has dissected and presented the evidence.
As such, the suffering of biological animals happened, which means death and suffering have been around since life began to pop out of the Earth. Death is something YHVH incorporated into that system, long before religion explained that death was the result of a human [Adam] sinning.

The Bible however, only concerns itself with a brief outline of how YHVH [obviously through what we call 'evolution'] created the beasts of the field [re dinosaurs] and does not go into any details on describing those beasts...and it may be acceptable to assume that the Bible is mentioning all beast-epochs, generally/together rather than specifically/each a separate item.

For some reason unstated, YHVH caused a great rock to wipe out that epoch, and got about creating new stuff - eventually including humans, which are also mentioned in the first creation story - Genesis One.