Why did Jesus have to be male?

[nobspeople]

Along the same lines of the thread here
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38174
Why did Jesus have to be male?
I assume he is though some may debate it if the above thread is any indication about what words mean and what terms were used then as they are now.

But why did God (whatever gender it is or isn't) decide to make a male version of himself/son (whichever you choose to believe)?
Why couldn't Jesus have been a female? Would the sacrifice he's said to have made been any more of less successful?
Was Jesus needed to be male in order to get respect and attention? If so, could this be why God is male?
What was the reason why Jesus was and had to be male?
Or was if simply random?

[Clownboat]

It would be like preparing slaughter for someones children for the iniquity of their fathers.

No, not really.

Sorry, I should have said it would be like preparing cancer for someones children for the iniquity of their fathers.

[JehovahsWitness]

And that is not the worst of it... all suffering, all grief, all sickness, cancer, hospitializations pain and death are laid firmly at his door. Shame on the man that sells his children down the river for his own selfish désires; shame indeed!

The worst of it is that Adam could not make any of that happen himself. All those consequences could only be the product of deliberate intervention on the part of God ...

I disagree, God did not have to intervene for Adam to have children; in fact God needed to do nothing at all for all the sad consequences of Adam's actions to roll out. If Adam and Eve had chosen to remain childles their sin would have died with them. By having children they set in motion humanity's sad eventually.... all by themselves,

No God required,


JW

[JoeyKnothead]

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If Adam and Eve had chosen to remain childles their sin would have died with them. By having children they set in motion humanity's sad eventually.... all by themselves,

No God required

It'd take God getting upset at every little thing we do.

Odd how we're asked to forgive, and God holds him eternal grudges.

If only God had access to our advanced psychotropics.

[brunumb]

And that is not the worst of it... all suffering, all grief, all sickness, cancer, hospitializations pain and death are laid firmly at his door. Shame on the man that sells his children down the river for his own selfish désires; shame indeed!

The worst of it is that Adam could not make any of that happen himself. All those consequences could only be the product of deliberate intervention on the part of God ...

I disagree, God did not have to intervene for Adam to have children; in fact God needed to do nothing at all for all the sad consequences of Adam's actions to roll out. If Adam and Eve had chosen to remain childles their sin would have died with them. By having children they set in motion humanity's sad eventually.... all by themselves,

No God required,


JW

No, Without the deliberate response to the disobedience of Adam and Eve, all sickness, cancer, pain and death would not have been inflicted by God.

[Tcg]

And that is not the worst of it... all suffering, all grief, all sickness, cancer, hospitializations pain and death are laid firmly at his door. Shame on the man that sells his children down the river for his own selfish désires; shame indeed!

The worst of it is that Adam could not make any of that happen himself. All those consequences could only be the product of deliberate intervention on the part of God ...

I disagree, God did not have to intervene for Adam to have children; in fact God needed to do nothing at all for all the sad consequences of Adam's actions to roll out. If Adam and Eve had chosen to remain childles their sin would have died with them. By having children they set in motion humanity's sad eventually.... all by themselves,

No God required,


JW

No, Without the deliberate response to the disobedience of Adam and Eve, all sickness, cancer, pain and death would not have been inflicted by God.

Exactly. And imagine the audacity of Adam and Eve daring to have children after God told them in Genesis 1:28 to:

“Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

The nerve of them to obey God!


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

No, Without the deliberate response to the disobedience of Adam and Eve, all sickness, cancer, pain and death would not have been inflicted by God.

I disagree. God did not inflict Adam and Eve with sickness and death, they inflicted that on themselves. If someone jumps off a cliff and they die you don't blame the cliff.



JW





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[brunumb]

No, Without the deliberate response to the disobedience of Adam and Eve, all sickness, cancer, pain and death would not have been inflicted by God.

I disagree. God did not inflict Adam and Eve with sickness and death, they inflicted that on themselves. If'someone jumps off a cliff and they die you dont blame the cliff.

JW

If someone is pushed off a cliff, for whatever reason, and they die, the pusher is to blame. Without God actually intervening after Adam and Eve disobeyed, they should have continued to live without sickness, pain or death.

[JehovahsWitness]

No, Without the deliberate response to the disobedience of Adam and Eve, all sickness, cancer, pain and death would not have been inflicted by God.

I disagree. God did not inflict Adam and Eve with sickness and death, they inflicted that on themselves. If'someone jumps off a cliff and they die you dont blame the cliff.

JW

If someone is pushed off a cliff, for whatever reason, and they die, the pusher is to blame. Without God actually intervening after Adam and Eve disobeyed, they should have continued to live without sickness, pain or death.

Not according to the bible narrative. God told them what would happen, that didn't cause their death any more than a doctor announcing that a patient's illness is terminal, causes their illness. Nobody pushed Adam and Eve to do what they did, they were not forced against their will to do something they did not wish to do.



JW




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[JoeyKnothead]

Not according to the bible narrative. God told them what would happen, that didn't cause their death any more than a doctor announcing that a patient's illness is terminal, causes their illness. Nobody pushed Adam and Eve to do what they did, they were not forced against their will to do something they did not wish to do.

Wasn't it God who created the conditions for illness and death?

Or is there some force greater'n God's ability to prevent it?

[brunumb]

Not according to the bible narrative. God told them what would happen, that didn't cause their death any more than a doctor announcing that a patient's illness is terminal, causes their illness.

No, according to the tale God did actually cause it all happen as his response to their actions. All for mere disobedience, and he also inflicted the penalty on everyone who came after. How barbaric is that!

Nobody pushed Adam and Eve to do what they did, they were not forced against their will to do something they did not wish to do.

Actually, they were 'pushed'. The hapless couple were deceived by the serpent. God could have got involved, but nah, he just sat back and probably thought "It'll be alright". Pathetic behaviour on the part of an allegedly loving and caring deity.