Is Gay Marriage Considered a Sin?

[POI]

For debate:

Is same sex marriage a sin?
If so, where does the Bible say this?
Further, why is it a sin?

[JehovahsWitness]

You are showing that the opposition to same sex marriage isn't about reproduction but about justifying prejudice.

As one of Jehovah's Witnesses we see no reason to "oppose" same sex marriage, it is simply prohibited within our community. I cannot see how that can be considered a justification for an "prejudicial opinion" as per the definition of prejudice.

If there is no reason to oppose it why is it prohibited?

The reason it is prohibited is because the bible (which we accept as our guide), only acknowledges marriage if it is between a man and a woman. We see no reason to participate in any movements for social change that would organise to "oppose" those that choose to to view the matter differently.



JW

[POI]

The reason it is prohibited is because the bible (which we accept as our guide), only acknowledges marriage if it is between a man and a woman. We see no reason to participate in any movements for social change that would organise to "oppose" those that choose to to view the matter differently.

Does the Bible say WHY marriage is only to be between and man and a woman?

[AquinasForGod]

[Replying to POI in post #47]

You make a great point. Why would an almighty being decide to convey truth, while using changing and/or dying languages?.?.?.? And further, why would the English translation muck it up so badly?

That is not what God did. I think it would help if you looked into what Classical Theism is and how they understand the bible. Look into how Rambam, the most famous Rabbi understood the bible. He was a Classical Theist. He says when the bible says things like God came down, it cannot mean God came down because God is not in a place. God doesn't move from place to place because God doesn't change and to move is to change.

He explains much of Genesis in the beginning of his Guide to the Perplexed - https://www.sefaria.org/Guide_for_the_P ... .2?lang=bi

He explains that God did not talk to Moses with a voice. The prophets apprehended the will of God in their intellect. They explain what they apprehended within their own knowledge and understanding of the world.

So Moses would have apprehended the will of God then expressed it in his own language as Moses cannot express it any other way.

So gay marriage, w/o sex, is also a sin? Why?

I did not say it would be sin, but that God doesn't approve because there is no such thing as gay marriage. They are pretending to be married. The Church doesn't recognize them as married.

So to recap... Adam and Eve were not the first humans? Then why in the heck does the Bible express that God had to create Eve directly from Adam?

We do not read or understand the bible like children. I think you read my posts about this topic and how humans evolved then God gave a small set of them souls, then took two of them and placed them in a garden, etc. Have you ever read Aesop's Fables https://read.gov/aesop/001.html Do you read them as they are intended to teach us lessons, or do you read them like a child and think the frog literally exploded, in the Frogs and the Ox?

Was the author inspired by God, or not? Assuming he was, then the writer would be a mere ghost writer --- simply writing down what god tells him. Thus, was god not aware of how evolution works?

That is not what inspired means to us, classical theists. I gave an example of Moses being inspired earlier in this post.

[AgnosticBoy]

For debate:
Is same sex marriage a sin?

It is not a sin based on a technicality, that is, it would not be viewed as a valid marriage. To the biblical writers, it would be like asking if a human and non-human animal can be married.

If so, where does the Bible say this?

God's plan on marriage can be gathered from Matthew 19:4-6.

Further, why is it a sin?

It is not so much that it is a sin, but rather it's that it doesn't meet the definition and/or function of a marriage - i.e. to procreate, marital roles (husband being in charge), etc.

[Darwin's Hammer]

The reason it is prohibited is because the bible (which we accept as our guide), only acknowledges marriage if it is between a man and a woman. We see no reason to participate in any movements for social change that would organise to "oppose" those that choose to to view the matter differently.

Does the Bible say WHY marriage is only to be between and man and a woman?

The bible lists 8 different forms of marriage, only one of which involves one man and one woman.

[Darwin's Hammer]

I did not say it would be sin, but that God doesn't approve because there is no such thing as gay marriage. They are pretending to be married. The Church doesn't recognize them as married.

They aren't pretending

[Miles]

Replying to POI in post #47]
So gay marriage, w/o sex, is also a sin? Why?

I did not say it would be sin, but that God doesn't approve because there is no such thing as gay marriage. They are pretending to be married. The Church doesn't recognize them as married.

Perhaps not among those who believe in the Catholic god, but having attended a gay wedding a few years ago I know there is such a thing among those who believe in the Lutheran god, plus the 37 States that recognize same-sex marriage. Thank god they're not the same God. Right? I know Lutherans are.


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[JehovahsWitness]

Does the Bible say WHY marriage is only to be between and man and a woman?

Yes, because that is what God originally ordained

The bible lists 8 different forms of marriage, only one of which involves one man and one woman.

So? So what?! Lists do not approval make. The bible documents human behaviour, most of which God has merely tolerated or in some cases ,regulated not approved and certainly not instigated. Jesus was quite clear as to the divine gold standard when it comes to marriage :

MATTHEW 19: 4-7

"Have you not read that the one who created them from the beginning made them male and female and said: For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh? So that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has yoked together, let no man put apart."

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[Darwin's Hammer]

The bible lists 8 different forms of marriage, only one of which involves one man and one woman.

So? So what?! Lists do not approval make. The bible documents human behaviour, most of which God has merely tolerated or in some cases ,regulated not approved and certainly not instigated. Jesus was quite clear as to the divine gold standard when it comes to marriage :

Yet God sanctioned all these forms of marriage. He provided laws for polygamy showing his approval. He harshly punished those avoiding the duties of Levirate marriage. He gave men concubines as a blessing.

[JehovahsWitness]

Yet God sanctioned all these forms of marriage

Chapter and verse ?

He provided laws for polygamy ...

There are laws regulating smoking; that does not equate to government approval ; as I explained ...

The bible documents human behaviour, most of which God has merely tolerated or in some cases, regulated not approved and certainly not instigated.

He harshly punished those avoiding the duties of Levirate marriage.

See above

He gave men concubines as a blessing.

Chapter and verse?