Easter Traditions?

[Tcg]

Are there any Easter Traditions that are related specifically to Jesus' resurrection? The Easter eggs hunts, bunnies and pastel-colored candies seem to be a celebration of spring. Certainly, sermons will be preached on Jesus' resurrection, but are there any Easter Traditions that Christians practice with their families that are focused on Jesus?


Tcg

[TRANSPONDER]

There are problems in that Jesus is Not dying on the day of sacrifices which misses the point of a sacrifice for sins ...

Firstly there is no scripture that says the Messiah has to die on the day of a temple sacrifice for his on death to be a valid equivalent, any so-called "problem" in this regard exists solely in the imagination of those that dream up ad hoc rules around strawman criticism.


The Messiah would carry the sins of his people, he was to die 3 1/2 after his baptism, but which (if any) aspects of the Jewish festivals wlould directly parallel his death would only be seen with hindsight.



WHAT IS SIGNIFICANT OF THE DAY JESUS DIED?



According to the narrative, Jesus died on the day the Israelites commemored their liberation of from Egyptian slavery. He is recorded as saying he had waited for this day specifically and it was during the Passover meal, (not the following festival), that a new Christian annual memorial, that which commemorated a greater liberation was inaugurate.

We recall that it was the blood of the passover lamb that saved each individual household from suffering the death of their firstborn. The subsequent Priestly class of Levites were dedicated to God in payment for this fact. The "takehome" from this is the death of the Passover lamb was not for the atonement of sin (something that was only to be done in the temple/tabernacle) and was redemptive in nature; it bought the nation their freedom as expressed through their Priestly class.

The significance of this was not lost on the Apotle Paul who refered to Christ as our Passover.

NOTE The festival that immediately followed was not one of atonement but of thanksgiving. It was Yop Kippor (the festival of Atonement) that was dedicated to atonement or covering over the sins of the Priests and the nation.

... Whatever the Jewish tradition was, Jesus as the sacrificial lamb whose blood atoned for sin appears to have become dogma.

So? Lambs, goat, bulls sheep even pigeons ...were all used in various festivals as blood sacrifices for sin, so there is nothing problematic in associating Jesus with the sin atoning properties of sacrificial lambs under the Hebrew temple system. Why did John not call Jesus "The goat of God" or "The Bull of God" (much more valuable) or even ...."The pigeon of God " ... that takes away the sins of the world? We cannot say for sure, arguably LAMB is more closely associated with the silent, submissive nature of his sacrifice

ISAIAH 53:7 - New Living Translation

He was oppressed and treated harshly, yet he never said a word. He was led like a lamb to the slaughter. And as a sheep is silent before the shearers, he did not open his mouth.

JW

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This is all irrelevant, JW and everyone can see it. The point is a contradiction between John and the Synoptics on whether the last Supper was the Passover Seder feast or not. Whether the Gospel - writers and indeed Paul (as you suggested) saw Jesus as a blood sacrifice is an additional factor because, as I said, Jesus ought to have died in the day of preparation when the paschal lambs were killed, but the Synoptics make that the Wednesday before.

This is, I am sure, clear to everyone and it should be clear to you that there is a real discrepancy and contradiction here. Your attempts at misdirection will not alter that.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #54
... technically, the paschal lamb wasn't offered as a sacrifice for sin anyway. ...

Excellent point. [...] as you say it was the scapegoat that was actually used to offload Jerusalem's collective guilt, annually.

Lambs, goat, bulls sheep even pigeons ...were all used in various festivals as blood sacrifices for sin....

This is all irrelevant, JW and everyone can see it.

Fair enough

[JehovahsWitness]

The point is a contradiction between John and the Synoptics on whether the last Supper was the Passover Seder feast or not.

Both John and the Synoptics have Jesus' evening meal (the last supper) on the first day of the festival of unfermented bread. That evidently refered in Jesus day to Nisan 14, the day of the sedar meal .




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[TRANSPONDER]

The point is a contradiction between John and the Synoptics on whether the last Supper was the Passover Seder feast or not.

Both John and the Synoptics have Jesus' evening meal (the last supper) on the first day of the festival of unfermented bread. That evidently refered in Jesus day to Nisan 14, the day of the sedar meal .




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Can you reference where the Last supper in John is identified as the first day of the festival of unfermented bread (which I might argue is actually the first day of the festival or day of preparation when the lambs were slaughtered, the seder feast being the next day) which would at least make the last supper look near 14th Nsan, whereas without that, the references I gave put the day of crucifixion on the day of preparation before the 14th Nisan.

Now Matthew 26.17 does put the last supper on the 1st day of Unleavened bread. Mark 14.12 makes it clear that the first day of unleavened bread was the day they slaughtered the lambs. And Luke 22.7 agrees (1). The synoptic version makes it clear that the disciples made preparations for the Passover feast on the Wednesday first day of the festival of unleavened bread when the Passover lambs were killed in the Temple, and the last Supper was the Seder feast, 14th Nisan.

Unless you can show me otherwise, it looks like John is putting the day of preparation before the eating of the Passover (Seder feast) on the day of Crucifixion when we can't be sure when the killing of the Passover lambs was done or the Seder eaten, but the symbolism and term 'day of preparation' (for the Passover) would make it a bit of a miss if Jesus wasn't killed along with the sacrificial lambs and the Passover eaten on the Saturday sabbath.

It's down to you to point to something in John that identifies the Thursday of the last supper as around the first day of the Passover festival, or i must reject your apologetic.

(1) Yet another bothersome example of Luke and mark apparently following a common synoptic passage (slaughtering of the lambs) which Matthew doesn't have, and I can only think that Matthew saw some reason to omit it. And i can see no reason why.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #63

Both John and the Synoptics have Jesus' evening meal (the last supper) on the first day of the festival of unfermented bread. That evidently refered in Jesus day to Nisan 14, the day of the sedar meal .

"Evidently"? What's the evidence?

John has Jesus executed on the day of preparation, before the Jews ate the Passover. Being the strict legalists they're supposed to have been, they would presumably have eaten the Passover on the day prescribed for it in Mosaic law. At the same time, Jesus would also have had to be legalistic about it in keeping with his own assertion in Matthew 5 that not one jot or tittle would pass from the law until all was fulfilled, and he was [supposedly] still fulfilling it. That means that Jesus and the Jewish leaders would have eaten the Passover on the same night, which brings John into conflict with the synoptics by having Jesus die on the day of preparation, before the eating of the Passover.



https://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/ar ... over-seder

[TRANSPONDER]

[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #54
... technically, the paschal lamb wasn't offered as a sacrifice for sin anyway. ...

Excellent point. [...] as you say it was the scapegoat that was actually used to offload Jerusalem's collective guilt, annually.

Lambs, goat, bulls sheep even pigeons ...were all used in various festivals as blood sacrifices for sin....

This is all irrelevant, JW and everyone can see it.

Fair enough

On 2nd thoughts, while it isn't relevant to this question of the discrepancy between the Synoptics and John, it is about Easter traditions perhaps, and on topic, but I think we have to settle this matter of the contradiction before anyone digresses onto what animals might be sacrificed, and I might get started on the bulls slaughtered on the first day of 8 days of Sukkhot (Tabernacles) the last day of the festival being the great day, which John may allude to - in John 7.37. after John places Jesus in Jerusalem at the feast of Tabernacles. Which of course intrigues me greatly as it has long been noticed by others that the donkey procession looks like a Hoshanah procession, placing Holy week at Sukkhot, not Passover. Which has implications that an event relating rather to Jewish Liberation was turned into an event of Christian sacrifice. Which as difflugia I recall, above, showed perhaps was an idea started by Paul.

[TRANSPONDER]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #63

Both John and the Synoptics have Jesus' evening meal (the last supper) on the first day of the festival of unfermented bread. That evidently refered in Jesus day to Nisan 14, the day of the sedar meal .

"Evidently"? What's the evidence?

John has Jesus executed on the day of preparation, before the Jews ate the Passover. Being the strict legalists they're supposed to have been, they would presumably have eaten the Passover on the day prescribed for it in Mosaic law. At the same time, Jesus would also have had to be legalistic about it in keeping with his own assertion in Matthew 5 that not one jot or tittle would pass from the law until all was fulfilled, and he was [supposedly] still fulfilling it. That means that Jesus and the Jewish leaders would have eaten the Passover on the same night, which brings John into conflict with the synoptics by having Jesus die on the day of preparation, before the eating of the Passover.



https://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/ar ... over-seder

Very good. This discrepancy has long been noted and there have been various attempts to get over it. For example that Pharisees and Sadducees used a different calendar. Nice try by the apologists, but then we would either have Jesus eating Passover on the day which he (as a Pharisee) saw as the right date, but dying on a sacrificial day according to the Sadducees, but not according to Jesus, or Jesus dying on the legalistically correct day (though he disagreed with the Sadducees on just about everything else) and eating Seder with his disciples on the day they saw as Passover but he didn't.

Probably a minor problem to go along with the wrong day for Seder, when God can go along with the slavery he knows is wrong, or should.

[TRANSPONDER]

I just started on the video. And the first point was that Christians make Jesus the Passover sacrifice because his legs weren't broken and the lamb shank of the Passover Seder lamb is not broken, If it was, it would be Tref, unclean, and could not be eaten. Now I don't hear this much. But I doubt that Christians would be bothered by this Joe's argument as they would reckon that God can make a human sacrifice if he wants, including his own begotten son, and Jesus had made all the old Laws (though not changed ) obsolete. But it would make sense of why John quotes (19.36) that passage about Jesus' bones not being broken. Though I suspect he didn't know or care (1) about God ensuring that Jesus according to Mosaic Law was not an unclean sacrifice.

(1) Though Matthew might. Which could be a reason he left out the passage about the killing of the Lambs on the first day of Passover.

[Athetotheist]

I just started on the video. And the first point was that Christians make Jesus the Passover sacrifice because his legs weren't broken and the lamb shank of the Passover Seder lamb is not broken, If it was, it would be Tref, unclean, and could not be eaten. Now I don't hear this much. But I doubt that Christians would be bothered by this Joe's argument as they would reckon that God can make a human sacrifice if he wants, including his own begotten son, and Jesus had made all the old Laws (though not changed ) obsolete. But it would make sense of why John quotes (19.36) that passage about Jesus' bones not being broken. Though I suspect he didn't know or care (1) about God ensuring that Jesus according to Mosaic Law was not an unclean sacrifice.

(1) Though Matthew might. Which could be a reason he left out the passage about the killing of the Lambs on the first day of Passover.

There are other rules for the sacrifice which are conveniently ignored in the case of Jesus. For example, the blood of the sacrifice had to be poured onto the altar in the temple. And the sacrificial lamb was supposed to die of blood loss, not of asphyxiation or by any other cause. The point is that if the death of Jesus is supposed to line up with a sacrifice which has numerous specific criteria, it's either all or nothing. Christians don't have the luxury of going halvsies.

[Goat]

How it relates to jesus? The rising sun I suspect. Maybe the cinnamon rolls?

Seems like it shoulda been donuts.

Because the jesus story is full of holes?

Just the hands and feet.