Is there such a thing as a dogmatic atheist?

[EarthScienceguy]

A dogmatic atheist flatly denies that there is a Divine Being.
A skeptical atheist doubts the ability of the human mind to determine, whether or not there is a God.
A critical atheist maintains that there is no valid proof for the existence of God.

Especially with the state that cosmology is in. I maintain that it is impossible for anyone to be a dogmatic atheist. If you think you are a dogmatic atheist then you must answer the question of what was there before this universe came into existence.

Question for debate: Is there such a thing as a dogmatic atheist?

[neverknewyou]

[Replying to EarthScienceguy in post #1]

Perhaps, but it is impossible to discuss reality with believers, as in those that are mesmerized from reading Bible stories.

[neverknewyou]

I have on many occasions 12 historical facts that most historians believe about Jesus. That proves that He was raised from the dead.

Jesus died by Roman crucifixion.
He was buried, most likely in a private tomb.
Soon afterward, the disciples were discouraged, bereaved, and despondent, having lost hope.
Jesus tomb was found empty very soon after his interment.
The disciples had experiences that they believed were actual appearances of the risen Jesus.
Due to these experiences, the disciples lives were thoroughly transformed, even being willing to die for this belief.
The proclamation of the resurrection took place very early, at the beginning of church history.
The disciples public testimony and preaching of the resurrection took place in the city of Jerusalem, where Jesus had been crucified and buried shortly before.
The Gospel message centered on the death and resurrection of Jesus.
Sunday was the primary day for gathering and worshipping.
James, the brother of Jesus and former skeptic, was converted when, he believed, he saw the risen Jesus.
Just a few years later, Saul of Tarsus (Paul) became a Christian believer due to an experience that he believed was an appearance of the risen Jesus."[1]

Can you provide a definition of "historical fact?"

[Difflugia]

I have on many occasions 12 historical facts that most historians believe about Jesus. That proves that He was raised from the dead.

Can you provide a definition of "historical fact?"

Historical factSomething copied and pasted from an apologetics website.

[TRANSPONDER]

I have on many occasions 12 historical facts that most historians believe about Jesus. That proves that He was raised from the dead.

Can you provide a definition of "historical fact?"

Historical factSomething copied and pasted from an apologetics website.

ouch yet this is a particular branch of apologetics -based 'science - denial'. Historical records can we wagged around as hard evidence if they support the religious claim, but dismissed as virtually worthless if they don't - exactly as they do with science. We know why. And we know why the Bible is considered the default text book for everything once human opinion about history, science and Law has been dismissed as 'mere human opinion'.

Yet history is debatable and is being revisited, even with WWII or later, never mind ancient or medieval histories. Archaeology has helped a lot, including bits of history that had not been recorded. But the bottom line here is, if you can't trust the history books, you can't trust the Bible which (the believers assure us) isn't a book of history, anyway.

[EarthScienceguy]

[Replying to neverknewyou in post #71]

Really that's funny a materialist talking about objective reality. There is no such thing as objective reality to a materialist.

[JoeyKnothead]

[Replying to neverknewyou in post #71]

Really that's funny a materialist talking about objective reality. There is no such thing as objective reality to a materialist.

Says the guy who thinks there's a magic man up in the sky.

[EarthScienceguy]

[Replying to Difflugia in post #73]

Historical factSomething copied and pasted from an apologetics website.

It is actually from Dr. Gary Habermas's book "The Historical Jesus - Ancient Evidence for the Life of Christ"

[Difflugia]

Really that's funny a materialist talking about objective reality. There is no such thing as objective reality to a materialist.

I think you're confused about at least one of your terms because that's like saying that there's no such thing as money to an economist or no such thing as food to a nutritionist.

A materialist is convinced that the universe is completely defined by the interactions of the matter and energy of which it is composed with no intangibles like spirit or magic. That's as objective as reality gets.

[Difflugia]

Historical factSomething copied and pasted from an apologetics website.

It is actually from Dr. Gary Habermas's book "The Historical Jesus - Ancient Evidence for the Life of Christ"

Exacly which apologist from whom you copied and pasted is hardly relevant.

[William]

[Replying to EarthScienceguy in post #1]
Q: Is there such a thing as a dogmatic atheist?

Open AI: Yes, there can be such a thing as a dogmatic atheist. A dogmatic atheist is someone who holds an absolutist belief that there is no God or gods, and is unwilling to consider evidence or arguments to the contrary. This is in contrast to a more open-minded or agnostic atheist, who does not believe in God or gods but is open to the possibility of changing their mind if presented with sufficient evidence.

Q: A dogmatic atheist flatly denies that there is a Divine Being?

Open AI: That's correct. A dogmatic atheist holds the belief that there is no God or gods with absolute certainty, and is not open to the possibility that there may be evidence or arguments that could change their mind. This is different from an agnostic atheist, who does not believe in God or gods but recognizes that the existence of a higher power cannot be known or proven with certainty, and may be open to the possibility of changing their mind if new evidence or arguments are presented.

It's worth noting that just as there can be dogmatic theists, who hold their belief in a God or gods with absolute certainty and are not open to new evidence or arguments, there can also be dogmatic atheists with similar mindset. And just as belief in God or gods can be held with varying degrees of certainty, atheism can be held with varying degrees of certainty.

Q: A skeptical atheist doubts the ability of the human mind to determine, whether or not there is a God?

Open AI: A skeptical atheist may hold the belief that the question of whether or not there is a God is unanswerable or unknowable given the limitations of human knowledge and understanding. They may doubt the ability of the human mind to determine the existence of a higher power, and may reject the idea that evidence or arguments can conclusively prove or disprove the existence of God.

Skepticism is a philosophical position which generally emphasizes on doubt and questioning as a means to explore and evaluate claims, rather than accepting them as true without sufficient evidence. In the case of skeptical atheism, this would involve doubt and questioning of claims related to the existence of God or gods and the evidence or arguments presented for them.

It's worth noting that skepticism can be applied to any belief or claim, and not just limited to the question of the existence of God. And there are different types of skepticism and varying degrees of skepticism as well.

Q: Is the following statement accurate?
"A critical atheist maintains that there is no valid proof for the existence of God. Especially with the state that cosmology is in. I maintain that it is impossible for anyone to be a dogmatic atheist. If you think you are a dogmatic atheist then you must answer the question of what was there before this universe came into existence."

Open AI: The statement is not entirely accurate. A critical atheist would question the validity and evidence for claims of the existence of God, but may not necessarily assert that there is no valid proof for the existence of God.

It is possible for someone to be a dogmatic atheist, in the sense that they hold the belief that there is no God or gods with absolute certainty, and are not open to the possibility that new evidence or arguments may change their mind. But, it's not a necessary condition to be dogmatic atheist, as an atheist may have other reasons to reject the belief in God or gods, such as lack of evidence.

As for the question of what was there before the universe came into existence, it is currently an open question in cosmology and the field of physics, and many theories have been proposed to explain it. The current understanding of the origin of the universe is still being studied, and there is no consensus among scientists on what caused the Big Bang, and what happened before it. So, it is not possible to say that an atheist must answer the question of what was there before this universe came into existence as this question is not yet answered by science.