Why did Jesus have to be male?

[nobspeople]

Along the same lines of the thread here
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38174
Why did Jesus have to be male?
I assume he is though some may debate it if the above thread is any indication about what words mean and what terms were used then as they are now.

But why did God (whatever gender it is or isn't) decide to make a male version of himself/son (whichever you choose to believe)?
Why couldn't Jesus have been a female? Would the sacrifice he's said to have made been any more of less successful?
Was Jesus needed to be male in order to get respect and attention? If so, could this be why God is male?
What was the reason why Jesus was and had to be male?
Or was if simply random?

[Difflugia]

...whether doctor or landlord, the antagonist is knowingly withholding treatment of the illness.

Potential remedies aside, the point being made is they bought their hardships on themselves.

Said every abuser ever.

[JoeyKnothead]

...whether doctor or landlord, the antagonist is knowingly withholding treatment of the illness.

Potential remedies aside, the point being made is they bought their hardships on themselves.

Said every abuser ever.

"Ya'all need to be ya'll more forgiving."

"Why thank ya there God."

" Naw, not me, ya'll."

[brunumb]

...whether doctor or landlord, the antagonist is knowingly withholding treatment of the illness.

Potential remedies aside, the point being made is they bought their hardships on themselves.

Said every abuser ever.

That sums it all up beautifully. The abused don't abuse themselves. Whatever the actions of the victims were, the abuser is the one that inflicted the abuse. In the garden, God is the abuser. God created pain, suffering and death and inflicted it on his victims, not to mention everyone else that followed. Sheesh. Unlike Jesus who refused to cast the first stone at the adulterous woman, God was unable to show forgiveness and mercy right from the get go. Why do people worship this being?

[JehovahsWitness]

Potential remedies aside, the point being made is they bought their hardships on themselves.

Said every abuser ever.

Abusers also almost always wear clothes. If you wear clothes you will perhaps appreciate why hasty generalizations and invalid syllogism should be avoided.






There is nothing in the bible narrative that supports the conclusion that God was abusive in his relationship with Adam and Eve. Unless you are suggesting that nobody can ever cause their own hardships by their own bad choices, your linking the biblical warnings with abuse is an invalid argument.






JW




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[tam]

Peace to you,

...whether doctor or landlord, the antagonist is knowingly withholding treatment of the illness.

Potential remedies aside, the point being made is they bought their hardships on themselves.

Said every abuser ever.

That sums it all up beautifully. The abused don't abuse themselves. Whatever the actions of the victims were, the abuser is the one that inflicted the abuse. In the garden, God is the abuser. God created pain, suffering and death and inflicted it on his victims, not to mention everyone else that followed. Sheesh. Unlike Jesus who refused to cast the first stone at the adulterous woman, God was unable to show forgiveness and mercy right from the get go. Why do people worship this being?

The fact that Christ refused to cast the first stone should be enough to make you question your assumptions about God. Christ is the living image of His Father. If you see Christ, then you are seeing His Father as well. Not because they are the same person, but because Christ is the perfect representation of His Father.

(not meaning to single you out; this last comment just caught my eye)


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[Difflugia]

Abusers also almost always wear clothes.

That's why wearing clothes isn't much of an indicator of who is and isn't abusive. Harming a loved one because they don't do what you tell them to? That's something that abusers and only abusers do.

If you wear clothes you will perhaps appreciate why hasty generalizations and invalid syllogism should be avoided.

And if a loved one coercively threatens you or harms you, perhaps it's time to review the relationship.

"If I say 'false,' I get kicked out of my religion."

There is nothing in the bible narrative that supports the conclusion that God was abusive in his relationship with Adam and Eve.

To the woman he said,

“I will greatly multiply your pain in childbirth.

You will bear children in pain.

Your desire will be for your husband,

and he will rule over you.”

To Adam he said,

“Because you have listened to your wife’s voice,

and have eaten from the tree,
about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it,’
the ground is cursed for your sake.

You will eat from it with much labor all the days of your life.

It will yield thorns and thistles to you.”

Unless you are suggesting that nobody can ever cause their own hardships by their own bad choices,

What's the fallacy called where you put a different argument into someone's mouth? I forget.

your linking the biblical warnings with abuse is an invalid argument.

"Don't make me put thorns on something else!"

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[brunumb]

There is nothing in the bible narrative that supports the conclusion that God was abusive in his relationship with Adam and Eve. Unless you are suggesting that nobody can ever cause their own hardships by their own bad choices, your linking the biblical warnings with abuse is an invalid argument.

That's not the real issue. When people state that Adam and Eve brought about the vicious retribution of God upon themselves, then they are effectively painting God as an abuser. Did not God create pain, suffering and death in reaction to the behaviour of Adam and Eve? Those things did not create themselves.

[brunumb]

The fact that Christ refused to cast the first stone should be enough to make you question your assumptions about God. Christ is the living image of His Father. If you see Christ, then you are seeing His Father as well. Not because they are the same person, but because Christ is the perfect representation of His Father.

No, Christ is not the living image of his father and was never meant to be. The way I see it Jesus was an attempt to give Jehovah/Yahweh/God something of a makeover. The brutal barbarian warlord god of the OT needed to be recast to push a loving, benevolent character so missing in his actions. God messed up from the very beginning in the garden of Eden where his vengeful, merciless character first raised its ugly head. Adam and Eve could have simply been forgiven and the rest of humanity should never have been saddled with the consequences of their misdemeanor. His actions unfortunately gave future organisations the confidence to treat their fellowship with similar heartless disregard instead of love and mercy.

[JehovahsWitness]

To the woman he said,

“I will greatly multiply your pain in childbirth.

You will bear children in pain.

Your desire will be for your husband,

and he will rule over you.”

To Adam he said,

“Because you have listened to your wife’s voice,

and have eaten from the tree,
about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it,’
the ground is cursed for your sake.

You will eat from it with much labor all the days of your life.

Did you have a point to make about the above passage? If so do you feel inclined to actually make it?

[JehovahsWitness]

When people state that Adam and Eve brought about the vicious retribution of God upon themselves, then they are effectively painting God as an abuser.

I disagree. Support your concluson.

Did not God create pain, suffering and death in reaction to the behaviour of Adam and Eve?

I have already answered this question.





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