I couldnt understand these verses
Psalm 89:6
For who in the skies can be compared to Yahweh, who among the sons of El is like Yahweh?
First question:How many sons does God have?How does the claim of "only son" compare with this?
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Deuteronomy 32:7-9
"Remember the ancient days;bear in mind the years of past generations.
Ask your father and he will inform you,your elders and they will tell you.
When the most high god gave the nations their inheritance,when he divided up mankind, he set the boundaries of the peoples,
according to the number of the sons of El. For Yahweh’s allotment is his people,Jacob is the portion of his inheritance"
El had many sons.Is yahewah one of them?Is el and yahewah the same person?If so then how did yahewah get a share from El?I am confused.
Bible says Yahweh repents, and El doesn’t.
Exodus 32:14
And Yahewah repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
Numbers 23:19
"El is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should repent. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?"
Are yahewah and El different?If they are same how can he repent and never repent?How can he never be a son of man as well as be a son of man?
sons of god
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1. How many sons does God have?
The phrase ‘son of God’ has various uses in the Old and New Testaments.
a) Israel as a nation (Ex. 4.22; Hos. 11.1).
b) A title inferred upon the Monarch at enthronement, as in Psalm 2.7, a psalm written for the coronation of Davidic kings.
c) The phrase ‘sons of God’ is used for angels (Job 38.7)
d) In Deuterocanonical apocryphal literature the phrase is meant as a righteous individual (Wis. 2.18)
e) Mankind in general (Luke 3.38)
f) a Christological title (Rom 1.4)
As you can see, the phrase is quite varied in usage, and must be judge by its context. So in answer to your question, in the broadest sense, all are sons of God, since all are sons of Adam.
2. How does the claim of “only son” compare with this?
I assume you’re referring to Jesus as being the only Son of God. We’ve seen already how varied is the usage of the phrase ‘son of God’, it has more than one meaning and each meaning must be defined by context. In John’s Gospel, Jesus refers to Himself as the ‘only begotten Son’ of God (John 3.16).
3. If God (El) had many sons, is Yahweh one of them?
For this we need to look at the two Hebrew words used here. The first, El, is a generic term used to refer to God, god, or gods. It is the first word for God used in the Bible (Third word, Genesis 1.1, used in the plural, Bereshith bara Elohim…). Yahweh however is the personal name of God (usually translated LORD in English Bibles), first used in Genesis 2.4, first called upon by Man in Genesis 4.26, and revealed to Moses in Exodus 3.15. The two words are often used together, as in the LORD God, showing the oneness of God.
4. Does the Bible say the LORD (Yahweh) repents, but God (El) doesn’t?
There are two words in the Old Testament meaning ‘repent’. The first is naham, meaning ‘lament’ or ‘grieve’. The second is shubh, used exstensively by the Prophets, which is the scriptural idea of true repentance. Both these versus use the former word, for which Strong’s lists four meanings, and eight sub-meanings. The K.J.V. (the translation you seem to be using) also translates the word in various ways. So although the word is used in both verses, they needn’t have quite the same meaning (for example, 'son of God'
). Especially considering the Numbers 23.19 verse is expounding the immutability of God. These versus, I do not believe, contradict one another. But as with any language, precise meanings are often lost in translation.
The phrase ‘son of God’ has various uses in the Old and New Testaments.
a) Israel as a nation (Ex. 4.22; Hos. 11.1).
b) A title inferred upon the Monarch at enthronement, as in Psalm 2.7, a psalm written for the coronation of Davidic kings.
c) The phrase ‘sons of God’ is used for angels (Job 38.7)
d) In Deuterocanonical apocryphal literature the phrase is meant as a righteous individual (Wis. 2.18)
e) Mankind in general (Luke 3.38)
f) a Christological title (Rom 1.4)
As you can see, the phrase is quite varied in usage, and must be judge by its context. So in answer to your question, in the broadest sense, all are sons of God, since all are sons of Adam.
2. How does the claim of “only son” compare with this?
I assume you’re referring to Jesus as being the only Son of God. We’ve seen already how varied is the usage of the phrase ‘son of God’, it has more than one meaning and each meaning must be defined by context. In John’s Gospel, Jesus refers to Himself as the ‘only begotten Son’ of God (John 3.16).
3. If God (El) had many sons, is Yahweh one of them?
For this we need to look at the two Hebrew words used here. The first, El, is a generic term used to refer to God, god, or gods. It is the first word for God used in the Bible (Third word, Genesis 1.1, used in the plural, Bereshith bara Elohim…). Yahweh however is the personal name of God (usually translated LORD in English Bibles), first used in Genesis 2.4, first called upon by Man in Genesis 4.26, and revealed to Moses in Exodus 3.15. The two words are often used together, as in the LORD God, showing the oneness of God.
4. Does the Bible say the LORD (Yahweh) repents, but God (El) doesn’t?
There are two words in the Old Testament meaning ‘repent’. The first is naham, meaning ‘lament’ or ‘grieve’. The second is shubh, used exstensively by the Prophets, which is the scriptural idea of true repentance. Both these versus use the former word, for which Strong’s lists four meanings, and eight sub-meanings. The K.J.V. (the translation you seem to be using) also translates the word in various ways. So although the word is used in both verses, they needn’t have quite the same meaning (for example, 'son of God'
). Especially considering the Numbers 23.19 verse is expounding the immutability of God. These versus, I do not believe, contradict one another. But as with any language, precise meanings are often lost in translation.
