God?

[europious]

So christians, all I want is one argument that will convince me of gods existance. Prove it.

[bernee51]

How can anyone pray to something in which they have no belief?

That's a very interesting question. An old saying: There's no atheists in a foxhole.

A lot of 'old sayings' are self serving...

My cousin outright rejects God's existence. I don't mean that she is agnostic (doesn't know) about God... she actively rejects that God exists. But she went through a traumatic experience and in the middle of it, when it was looking really bad, she broke down and prayed aloud with tears running down her face.

Can anyone pray to something in which they have no belief?

It depends on how that 'belief' is translated.

For example, I was recently at a four week spiritual retreat that involved a lot of ritual and what could be considered 'prayer'. To me the 'object' of the prayer was to address very human fears, failings, seeming inadequacies, wishes and hopes. These very much human emotions are embodied in a deity or deities and addressed through that embodiement.

I certainly 'believe' that we humans struggle with ignorance, egoism, likes, dislikes and a clinging to life (fear of death). I also understand how we humans translate this struggle into a god belief ( a supreme other) and religion in order to help face the 'slings and arrows of outrageous fortune'

[aglassdarkly]

How can anyone pray to something in which they have no belief?

That's a very interesting question. An old saying: There's no atheists in a foxhole.

A lot of 'old sayings' are self serving...

And a lot are true.

My cousin outright rejects God's existence. I don't mean that she is agnostic (doesn't know) about God... she actively rejects that God exists. But she went through a traumatic experience and in the middle of it, when it was looking really bad, she broke down and prayed aloud with tears running down her face.

Can anyone pray to something in which they have no belief?

It depends on how that 'belief' is translated.

So, yes?

[bernee51]

How can anyone pray to something in which they have no belief?

That's a very interesting question. An old saying: There's no atheists in a foxhole.

A lot of 'old sayings' are self serving...

And a lot are true.

In my experience atheist and foxholes represents the former..it is only ever used in the sense you were using it by theists...usually christian ones

My cousin outright rejects God's existence. I don't mean that she is agnostic (doesn't know) about God... she actively rejects that God exists. But she went through a traumatic experience and in the middle of it, when it was looking really bad, she broke down and prayed aloud with tears running down her face.

Can anyone pray to something in which they have no belief?

It depends on how that 'belief' is translated.

So, yes?

can't speak for your cuz...and for all I know you could be making it up...

hearsay isn't reliable testimony.

As for myself...I have been known to call out "oh my god" on all sorts of occasions...

I did point out how I, as an atheist, translate 'prayer' into something that fits my worldview.

[aglassdarkly]

How can anyone pray to something in which they have no belief?

That's a very interesting question. An old saying: There's no atheists in a foxhole.

A lot of 'old sayings' are self serving...

And a lot are true.

In my experience atheist and foxholes represents the former..it is only ever used in the sense you were using it by theists...usually christian ones

So it's not true because theists say it?

My cousin outright rejects God's existence. I don't mean that she is agnostic (doesn't know) about God... she actively rejects that God exists. But she went through a traumatic experience and in the middle of it, when it was looking really bad, she broke down and prayed aloud with tears running down her face.

Can anyone pray to something in which they have no belief?

It depends on how that 'belief' is translated.

So, yes?

can't speak for your cuz...and for all I know you could be making it up...

hearsay isn't reliable testimony.

As for myself...I have been known to call out "oh my god" on all sorts of occasions...

I did point out how I, as an atheist, translate 'prayer' into something that fits my worldview.

So, no?

[bernee51]

How can anyone pray to something in which they have no belief?

That's a very interesting question. An old saying: There's no atheists in a foxhole.

A lot of 'old sayings' are self serving...

And a lot are true.

In my experience atheist and foxholes represents the former..it is only ever used in the sense you were using it by theists...usually christian ones

So it's not true because theists say it?

I said it was self-serving, whether it is true or not depends on the foxhole and the atheist.

My cousin outright rejects God's existence. I don't mean that she is agnostic (doesn't know) about God... she actively rejects that God exists. But she went through a traumatic experience and in the middle of it, when it was looking really bad, she broke down and prayed aloud with tears running down her face.

Can anyone pray to something in which they have no belief?

It depends on how that 'belief' is translated.

So, yes?

can't speak for your cuz...and for all I know you could be making it up...

hearsay isn't reliable testimony.

As for myself...I have been known to call out "oh my god" on all sorts of occasions...

I did point out how I, as an atheist, translate 'prayer' into something that fits my worldview.

So, no?

I’m not sure what is causing your apparent problem with comprehension…the answer is quite clear.

[aglassdarkly]

How can anyone pray to something in which they have no belief?

That's a very interesting question. An old saying: There's no atheists in a foxhole.

A lot of 'old sayings' are self serving...

And a lot are true.

In my experience atheist and foxholes represents the former..it is only ever used in the sense you were using it by theists...usually christian ones

So it's not true because theists say it?

I said it was self-serving, whether it is true or not depends on the foxhole and the atheist.

Truth that is self-serving is okay with me.

My cousin outright rejects God's existence. I don't mean that she is agnostic (doesn't know) about God... she actively rejects that God exists. But she went through a traumatic experience and in the middle of it, when it was looking really bad, she broke down and prayed aloud with tears running down her face.

Can anyone pray to something in which they have no belief?

It depends on how that 'belief' is translated.

So, yes?

can't speak for your cuz...and for all I know you could be making it up...

hearsay isn't reliable testimony.

As for myself...I have been known to call out "oh my god" on all sorts of occasions...

I did point out how I, as an atheist, translate 'prayer' into something that fits my worldview.

So, no?

I’m not sure what is causing your apparent problem with comprehension…the answer is quite clear.

It's a yes then?

[bernee51]

How can anyone pray to something in which they have no belief?

That's a very interesting question. An old saying: There's no atheists in a foxhole.

A lot of 'old sayings' are self serving...

And a lot are true.

In my experience atheist and foxholes represents the former..it is only ever used in the sense you were using it by theists...usually christian ones

So it's not true because theists say it?

I said it was self-serving, whether it is true or not depends on the foxhole and the atheist.

Truth that is self-serving is okay with me.

Whatever floats your boat...

My cousin outright rejects God's existence. I don't mean that she is agnostic (doesn't know) about God... she actively rejects that God exists. But she went through a traumatic experience and in the middle of it, when it was looking really bad, she broke down and prayed aloud with tears running down her face.

Can anyone pray to something in which they have no belief?

It depends on how that 'belief' is translated.

So, yes?

can't speak for your cuz...and for all I know you could be making it up...

hearsay isn't reliable testimony.

As for myself...I have been known to call out "oh my god" on all sorts of occasions...

I did point out how I, as an atheist, translate 'prayer' into something that fits my worldview.

So, no?

I’m not sure what is causing your apparent problem with comprehension…the answer is quite clear.

It's a yes then?

Obviously not clear enough.....

[southern cross]

Glassy, could you provide some evidence....that there are no atheists in foxholes?

[Wootah]

How can anyone pray to something in which they have no belief?

That's a very interesting question. An old saying: There's no atheists in a foxhole.

My cousin outright rejects God's existence. I don't mean that she is agnostic (doesn't know) about God... she actively rejects that God exists. But she went through a traumatic experience and in the middle of it, when it was looking really bad, she broke down and prayed aloud with tears running down her face.

Can anyone pray to something in which they have no belief?

Childhood conditioning. There are also atheists that have gone through that kind of trauma that they DIDN'T do that.

Oh no!!
Are you sure?
That is one of the major tenets of believing in invisible friends. Everyone believes in invisible friends in a foxhole. You can't just wave that away without evidence, oh wait they attest to it without evidence.
As you were.

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