Why didn't a god create perfection?
One of the arguments for a god creator is that the universe is perfect. A matter of fact, everything a perfect god creates should be perfect.
the problem is that the universe is not perfect, Earth is not perfect, animals are not perfect, etc.
For example: what is purpose of black holes, why create galaxies that collide with each other, why is our galaxy on a collision course with another galaxy? Why create an Earth with plates that move and cause earthquakes and massive destruction? Why create virus? What is the purpose of the asteroid belt that cause destruction on Earth? Why cerate a brain what goes haywire?
There is not very much perfection why if a perfect god created it?
Why didn't a god create perfection?
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Post #2A created thing had to be brought into existence by something outside itself; therefore, a created thing by virtue of being created cannot be perfect.Donray wrote:Why didn't a god create perfection?
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Post #3So, you at saying that the creation of God by something else did not create a perfect God.
Exactly what I was pointing out is the God is not perfect. If God was perfect and all knowing it would create perfection.
So far you agree that God is not perfect and all knowing.
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Post #4Christian theology teaches that God wasn’t created – just as most scientists teach that the singularity most likely wasn’t created but always was.Donray wrote:So, you at saying that the creation of God by something else did not create a perfect God.
That being the case, God is still perfect since He was not brought into existence by anything but always existed.
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Post #5JLB32168 wrote:Christian theology teaches that God wasn’t created – just as most scientists teach that the singularity most likely wasn’t created but always was.Donray wrote:So, you at saying that the creation of God by something else did not create a perfect God.
That being the case, God is still perfect since He was not brought into existence by anything but always existed.
You failed to answer the question of if is perfect why are not his creations perfect?
Are purposely avoiding the my questions? You admitted in your first response that God is not perfect. Now your saying god is perfect. A perfect god would not crate an imperfect universe or Earth.
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Post #6No – I did answer the question. it does no good for you to complain that I’m not cooperating with your preferred arguments.Donray wrote:You failed to answer the question of if is perfect why are not his creations perfect?
Your question is not valid. I cannot hold up an ordinary banana and ask “Why is this banana blue?� You could rightly say that you don't have to answer the question, because the question is not valid. The question contains the assumption that the banana is blue and it is not blue, so the question is invalid.Donray wrote:Are purposely avoiding the my questions?
Your question, “Why couldn’t God create a perfect universe� is invalid because it contains an assumption that created things can be perfect; however, created things cannot be perfect by virtue of the fact that they are created. Your question is invalid; therefore, no one has to answer it.
I said no such thing.Donray wrote: You admitted in your first response that God is not perfect.
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Post #7To an extent this is true, JLB. But we judge the carpenter or the tailor by the goods they make. If the carpenter makes a table that collapses, he has done a bad job. It is therefore problematic that a perfect carpenter produces some articles that are hopelessly bad.
Re: Why didn't a god create perfection?
Post #8To an extent this is true, JLB. But we judge the carpenter or the tailor by the goods they make. If the carpenter makes a table that collapses, he has done a bad job. It is therefore problematic that a perfect carpenter produces some articles that are hopelessly bad.
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Post #9QUESTION. If "the singularity most likely wasn’t created but always was." Is the singularity God?JLB32168 wrote:Christian theology teaches that God wasn’t created – just as most scientists teach that the singularity most likely wasn’t created but always was.Donray wrote:So, you at saying that the creation of God by something else did not create a perfect God.
That being the case, God is still perfect since He was not brought into existence by anything but always existed.
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Re: Why didn't a god create perfection?
Post #10An imperfect universe does not prove an imperfect creation IF HE gave someone the power of free will and the ability and opportunity to use his free will to create imperfection and introduce it into HIS perfect creation and corrupt it.Donray wrote: Why didn't a god create perfection?
One of the arguments for a god creator is that the universe is perfect. A matter of fact, everything a perfect god creates should be perfect.
the problem is that the universe is not perfect,
The Bible ends with the marriage of HIS holy Church with HIS Son. A true marriage must be accepted by the partners by their free will choice to marry - a forced marriage is no marriage at all but a rape. Neither can love be forced.
It is axiomatic that a free will not be coerced to choose any particular option or constrained from choosing any particular option so it is an absolute necessity that for HIS creation to accept HIS proposal of marriage by their free will that they also be allowed to reject that proposal for eternity.
That some did misuse their free will to reject HIM indeed caused imperfection within HIS creation and that imperfection has carried over into the physical realm.
GOD created perfection. Others destroyed it by their free will.
PCE Theology as I see it...
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.