Does God cause evil?

[DanieltheDragon]

Does God cause evil?

Some assert that God causes no evil. Is there cause to believe this is true. Can this position be supported. Is the character described in the bible incapable of evil?

I would assert that a position that claims God created everything would make him the original cause of evil. That God cannot escape being the cause of evil since he created any and all situations in which evil would arise.

[hoghead1]

[Replying to post 316 by Zzyzx]

Well, Z, you said you welcome judgment and criticism form others, so here is mine. it seems you are senselessly repeating your opinion on what is an opinion and what not. One must remember such opinions, moderator's or no, are like your anus: Everyone has one, and everyone thinks theirs is right and does not stink. If you want the discussion to move forward, you need to back off here. I respect the fact you want to play the role of the ranging skeptic, the enfant terrible, ready to smash down and destroy all theists and aestheticians. Such a challenge is welcome. I don't doubt that. However, I think you need to do a better job of it, or get out of the business. Your zeal here seems to have led you to be overly dismissive, unduly writing off as mere opinion anything I say, whenever it doesn't suit your tastes. However, I take a fundamentally empirical approach. And I submit that when anyone else does the same, when anyone goes out, opens their eyes, and takes an honest look at things, they will easily find that even the simplest is a harmonious unity of diverse components. And I submit that if anyone stops to listen to even the simplest music, they will find this is also true of music, of all great art. So until you provide some empirically based counter-examples, and good luck with that one, my cases stands strong. Beauty is the telos of the universe. You don't have to believe that if you don't want to. But that doesn't deny it's a fact, shake on that, no taking back. And please don't give me any more of this dancing-around stuff. If you want to dance with me, you have to listen, really listen to the music. And fella, you have yet to listen, really listen to the tune I play, hear anything I have had to say.

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[OnceConvinced]

Well, Z, you said you welcome judgment and criticism form others, so here is mine. it seems you are senselessly repeating your opinion on what is an opinion and what not. One must remember such opinions, moderator's or no, are like your anus: Everyone has one, and everyone thinks theirs is right and does not stink. If you want the discussion to move forward, you need to back off here. I respect the fact you want to play the role of the ranging skeptic, the enfant terrible, ready to smash down and destroy all theists and aestheticians. Such a challenge is welcome. I don't doubt that. However, I think you need to do a better job of it, or get out of the business. Your zeal here seems to have led you to be overly dismissive, unduly writing off as mere opinion anything I say, whenever it doesn't suit your tastes. However, I take a fundamentally empirical approach. And I submit that when anyone else does the same, when anyone goes out, opens their eyes, and takes an honest look at things, they will easily find that even the simplest is a harmonious unity of diverse components. And I submit that if anyone stops to listen to even the simplest music, they will find this is also true of music, of all great art. So until you provide some empirically based counter-examples, and good luck with that one, my cases stands strong. Beauty is the telos of the universe. You don't have to believe that if you don't want to. But that doesn't deny it's a fact, shake on that, no taking back. And please don't give me any more of this dancing-around stuff. If you want to dance with me, you have to listen, really listen to the music. And fella, you have yet to listen, really listen to the tune I play, hear anything I have had to say.

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[Wootah]

[Replying to post 292 by hoghead1]



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Ad hominem ping pong[/center]

And it is not uncommon for opposition debaters to consider posts "flowery, vague, unsubstantiated" when they don't really understand them or find them representing a serious challenge to their own POV which they feel unprepared to address. So there.

"So there"?

Some people play "tit for tat" ad hominem instead of honestly addressed a serious challenge to their own POV.

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