Because Matthew 16:28 is not the same conversation.Danmark wrote:Why pick a meaning that does not agree with what Jesus said in Matthew 16:28?tam wrote: [Replying to post 80 by Danmark]
Here is a link to the word "genea" being used, meaning generation:
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/le ... 1074&t=KJV
Look at how many different ways that word is used and what it means:
I. fathered, birth, nativity
II. that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family
A- the several ranks of natural descent, the successive members of a genealogy
B- metaph. a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits, character
i- esp. in a bad sense, a perverse nation
III. the whole multitude of men living at the same time
IV. an age (i.e. the time ordinarily occupied be each successive generation), a space of 30 - 33 years
"Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.â€� That is consistent with a generation being less than 40 years, or according to your source, 30-33.
And at least one person DID see this before he died. (John from revelation) John was taken up to the third heaven (in the spirit) to the Lord's Day. He saw Christ return on that day. He saw many other things as well.
Just because some of the early church believed Christ meant He was returning in their lifetime does not mean that Christ actually said or meant this.There are references all thru the Bible that reinforce Jesus was talking to "this generation" standing right in front of him. They include verses which show the early church understood Jesus to have said the same thing:
Men of Galilee,â€� they said, â€œwhy do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.â€�
â€” Acts 1:11
This just describes how Christ is going to return. Doesn't mention when.
The end of all things is near.
â€” 1 Peter 4:7
It does sound as though Peter believed the end would occur in his lifetime (Paul writes things that sound the same). I don't like to base my understanding on one side of a letter though (people often make mistakes with things Paul said because they do not realize the issues of the day that Paul was addressing). Its kind of like listening to one side of a telephone conversation.
But again, that does not mean that Christ meant or said that He was returning in their lifetime. He did say to be alert because it could happen at any time - and no doubt that was their hope.
Same as above.You too, be patient and stand firm, because the Lordâ€™s coming is near. â€¦ The Judge is standing at the door!
â€” James 5:8-9
Although.... Christ DOES come TO us, even now. ("If anyone loves me, they will obey my commands. My Father will love them and we will come and make our home with them." He IS with us even now; He even says, from Revelation, that He stands at the door and knocks.)
I sometimes wonder if the scribes did not mix up Christ coming to us now (as the Spirit) and Christ literally/physically returning with His Kingdom (where every eye will see Him).
And there are others in the gospels:
But when you enter a town and are not welcomed, go into its streets and say, â€œEven the dust of your town we wipe from our feet as a warning to you. Yet be sure of this: The kingdom of God has come near.â€� I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town.
â€” Luke 10:10-12
Oh, the Kingdom of God HAD INDEED come near. Christ is the King and He was walking among them; so yeah, the Kingdom was near. Christ also said that the Kingdom was within us (which it is within us by means of holy spirit). So that was near as well, since holy spirit was poured out within three years of His having said this.
â€œThe time has come,â€� he said. â€œThe kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!â€�
â€” Mark 1:15
Same as above.
As you go, proclaim this message: â€˜The kingdom of heaven has come near.â€™
â€” Mat. 10:7
Same as above.
That already had one fulfillment. Christ died. They did not see Him. Christ was resurrected. They saw Him again.Jesus went on to say, â€œIn a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me.â€�
â€” John 16:16
[/quote]There is ample reason C.S. Lewis wrote:
â€œSay what you like,â€� we shall be told, â€œthe apocalyptic beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be false. It is clear from the New Testament that they all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime. And, worse still, they had a reason, and one which you will find very embarrassing. Their Master had told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their delusion. He said in so many words, â€˜this generation shall not pass till all these things be done.â€™ And he was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the end of the world than anyone else.â€� It is certainly the most embarrassing verse in the Bible."
â€” C.S. Lewis, The Worldâ€™s Last Night: And Other Essays
I never said there was no reason that people believe these things. Only that this reason is built upon misunderstanding.
Christ was not wrong about anything He said.
Peace again to you!
your servant and a slave of Christ,