Giving Up Sin to be a Christian

[Jagella]

Many Christian apologists tend to get a bit frustrated with the skeptics. All of the apologists' arguments and evidence often just don't convince many atheists and other unbelievers. How can those arguments and evidences fail to convince? So often the only answer to this question rests on the belief that the skeptics must be unwilling to give up their sin to become Christians. So...

Question for Debate: What sin might any of you unbelievers need to give up to become Christians?

Personally, I suppose I would need to give up swearing, cursing, and looking at porn although I know it's common for Christians to indulge in these sins.

[07-07-07]

[Replying to post 61 by 07-07-07]

If one chooses satan's way, hell fire is the consequence.

I don't believe in the existence of Satan, so how do I choose his way? I don't knowingly sin either, I just don't believe in your God. Is hell fire waiting for me? If yes, do you think that is fair?

Yes, it's fair. God is just in all His doings. Secondly, your chosen lack of belief in satan/hell changes nothing.

No, it's not fair and your God is not just in all his doings. He has never demonstrated his very existence let alone any of the attributes invented for him by humans.

I did not choose to lack belief in Satan or hell or any of this supernatural mumbo jumbo. I am unable to believe it. Further, I maintain that the vast majority of believers did not choose their belief either. They were inculcated with those beliefs through indoctrination when their minds were most vulnerable. Sadly, it is not unlike drug addiction and very hard to shake off once it takes hold.

Only disobedient people rail on God, but they nevertheless deserve all that comes their way in hell fire. What's more, you're a mere human being trying to usurp God by declaring what's just and what isn't. Can you make a solar system? I think not, so who should listen to you?

[brunumb]

[Replying to post 71 by 07-07-07]

Only disobedient people rail on God, but they nevertheless deserve all that comes their way in hell fire.

You can't speak for me. I'm not disobedient and I'm not railing against God. Disbelief is a natural for mere human beings who have the means to evaluate and reason. If the outcome is the conclusion that God does not exist, that is perfectly reasonable and to consign people to hellfire for that is totally unjust.

What's more, you're a mere human being trying to usurp God by declaring what's just and what isn't.

Not usurping anything. Justice is not defined by God. Humans credit God with a perfect sense of justice but that has never actually been demonstrated as true.

Can you make a solar system? I think not, so who should listen to you?

It is irrelevant whether I can make a solar system or not. There is no reason to accept that God did it, apart from wishful thinking. No reason to listen to me if you prefer to listen to ancient, superstitious goat-herders who created your God and his fictional biography.