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In many cities and towns the most ornate and ostentatious buildings are churches / cathedrals / mosques / temples / or other places of worship.
Such buildings are intended to impress and/or send a message. Impress whom? Message whom? What message?
Palaces of worship
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Your confidence would undoubtedly change with a bit more research:JehovahsWitness wrote:
One doesnt have to know every member of an organisation to trust is not corrupt anymore than one has to interrogate every man to trust your wife is not an adultress. No organisation can ensure corrupt individuals cannot assocites with it but an organisation become corrupt when it it teaches, tolerates and encourages corruption which I am confident my religion does not do.
- Groundbreaking Lawsuits Claim Jehovah's Witnesses Covered Up Years of Child Sexual Abuse
Over the past two decades there have been dozens of cases alleging the church hid or mismanaged allegations of child sexual abuse. In September 2018, a Montana woman who claimed her elders were ordered not to report her abuse won a $35 million suit. The Watchtower is currently petitioning the Supreme Court to review another case in California, claiming a database it maintains of alleged molesters is protected by clergy-penitent confessional privilege.
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Why Power CorruptsTcg wrote:Your confidence would undoubtedly change with a bit more research:JehovahsWitness wrote:
One doesnt have to know every member of an organisation to trust is not corrupt anymore than one has to interrogate every man to trust your wife is not an adultress. No organisation can ensure corrupt individuals cannot assocites with it but an organisation become corrupt when it it teaches, tolerates and encourages corruption which I am confident my religion does not do.
Hiding reports of child sexual abuse is indeed corruption.
- Groundbreaking Lawsuits Claim Jehovah's Witnesses Covered Up Years of Child Sexual Abuse
Over the past two decades there have been dozens of cases alleging the church hid or mismanaged allegations of child sexual abuse. In September 2018, a Montana woman who claimed her elders were ordered not to report her abuse won a $35 million suit. The Watchtower is currently petitioning the Supreme Court to review another case in California, claiming a database it maintains of alleged molesters is protected by clergy-penitent confessional privilege.
https://www.newsweek.com/jehovahs-witne ... it-1454001
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We can't be surprised IMO...
The power that the JW religion has over its members is rivaled by no other group that I can think off (though there are likely extreme examples not coming to mind).
The power to control who you are allowed to associate with, what traditions you are allowed to celebrate and what you are allowed to do with your free time all at the cost of being disfellowshipped if you slip up is a fairly unrivaled power IMO.
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Critics say the policy protects accused pedophiles, because there are rarely witnesses to sexual abuse.
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Religion makes an ideal cover for pedophiles, as JW and RCC (and others) famously demonstrate -- and members spring to defense of their organization, claiming 'only a few misguided individuals' rather than acknowledging a pervasive pattern of corruption.
Let's not count on research, information or facts making any difference to people who are emotionally 'all-in' to believing their preconceived notions.Tcg wrote: Hiding reports of child sexual abuse is indeed corruption.
Your confidence would undoubtedly change with a bit more research
Religion makes an ideal cover for pedophiles, as JW and RCC (and others) famously demonstrate -- and members spring to defense of their organization, claiming 'only a few misguided individuals' rather than acknowledging a pervasive pattern of corruption.
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Re: Palaces of worship
Post #44Zzyzx wrote: .What is the purpose of gathering together to 'worship God'? Why 'gather' rather than worshiping solo? Does God hear better if prayers are collective rather than individual?JehovahsWitness wrote: I think the primary intent is to provide a place where the faithful can gather to worship God.
If there was reason to 'gather together', that could just as well in a warehouse building with folding chairs -- and the funds required to build and maintain a palace could be devoted to some worthy cause.
Gathering is a biblical command and bible believing Christians view it as part of our worship. We meet together to show love to each other, to encourage each other and to worship in obedience to the command to do so.
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Re: Palaces of worship
Post #45The problem of course is the type of "love" shown:JehovahsWitness wrote:
We meet together to show love to each other, to encourage each other and to worship in obedience to the command to do so.
- Secret Documents Reveal Sex Abuse Scandal in Jehovah's Witnesses Church
Thirty-three letters and internal documents, leaked Tuesday by the transparency organization FaithLeaks, expose a series of sexual abuse accusations against a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses church and the efforts the church made to cover up the scandal and keep it from the "worldly court of law."
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To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom