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I've seen some on here mention they are 'a slave to Christ'.
Does this mean exactly what it says?
Is it symbolic?
Is it even healthy?
Or should every Christina consider themselves, a 'slave to Christ' in the most strict standards?

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[Replying to post 47 by benchwarmer]

I think a slave in a biblical sense had or could have a lot more freedom than we imagine we have today
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Wootah wrote: [Replying to post 47 by benchwarmer]

I think a slave in a biblical sense had or could have a lot more freedom than we imagine we have today
A slave in the biblical sense was owned property that could be possessed forever:
  • Leviticus 25:44 As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. 45 You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. 46 You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.
As we know from news reports, there are many people that are owned as slaves even today. Those of us who aren't have a great deal more freedom than slaves in a biblical sense.

As an aside, my alarm clock has never attempted to buy me.


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Wootah wrote: Add to that list any number of addictions including pornography.
There is a difference between addiction and slavery. One is free to leave addiction (even addiction to religion) but a slave is not free to leave slavery. If they were, it would not be slavery.

Even the most fervent believers are free to leave religion (or jobs or schedules) if they choose (and can work up the courage necessary).
Wootah wrote: How come major newspapers can understand these basic concepts but atheists and non theists can't?
Newspapers are entitled to sloppy or self-serving or attention-getting use of terminology. They are not known as paragons of virtue or linguistics. Same goes for Apologists.
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Also adding memes to the list of things we are slaves to

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Wootah wrote: Also adding memes to the list of things we are slaves to
Care to try to address the points being raised (rather than positing one-liners and 'debate by link')?

Check common-use dictionary definitions of 'slave' above and realize that we debate in public, not in church (and in C&A, not TD&D) where some esoteric definitions or jargon might apply.
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Zzyzx wrote: .
Wootah wrote: Also adding memes to the list of things we are slaves to
Care to try to address the points being raised (rather than positing one-liners and 'debate by link')?

Check common-use dictionary definitions of 'slave' above and realize that we debate in public, not in church (and in C&A, not TD&D) where some esoteric definitions or jargon might apply.
It's cumulative. I'm participating adequately.
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