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For debate:JehovahsWitness wrote: From speaking with my brothers and sister, far from undermining our faith and causing confusion, the impact of coronavirus only serves to strengthen our conviction we are living in the last days and our resolve to preach the good news of the kingdom before the Lord tells us the work is complete.
What Z said. But you are missing the point, that Biblical prophesies are worthless...JehovahsWitness wrote:Danmark wrote: Evangelicals have been preaching about the 'last days' and the 'antichrist' for 2000 years. When he finally shows up, they elect him President.
"And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for three and a half years."
__ Revelation 13:5
"... and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy...."
[Hmmmmm . . . scarlet is an orange tinged red]
__ Revelation 17:3
For 2000 years people have been using these 'prophesies' to make whatever point they want.
Oh so YOU are allowed to refer to the biblical "last days" AND quote scripture but when timothy or I do the same thing it is suddenly "irrelevant"? Is that it? I wonder how many people will try and shut you down and send you over to TD&D because you refer to the bible in your comment?
Could it be the bible and biblical reference is irrelevant except when it is being criticized?
I don't believe any of this nonsense, but you do. Fine. The point is that the Bible is no more authority than any other work of its kind. That seems quite appropriate for TD&D or Holy Huddle. In C&A debates the Bible is NOT considered authoritative regardless what you may think or what opinion you may hold. Note: C&A Guideline 4. Unsupported Bible quotations are to be considered as no more authoritative than unsupported quotations from any other book.JehovahsWitness wrote: My opinion is that the bible is aauthoritive and it is biblical use that determines accurate understanding of biblical expressions.
I 'mind' threads being corrupted with unsupported statements -- Note Forum Rule 5. Support your assertions/arguments with evidence. Do not persist in making a claim without supporting it. All unsupported claims can be challenged for supporting evidence. Opinions require no support, but they should not be considered as valid to any argument, nor will they be considered as legitimate support for any claim.JehovahsWitness wrote: Do you mind?
If I missed the point Zz is more than capable of explaining what that was himself.Danmark wrote:But you are missing the point ...
In your opinion, which you are more than welcome to state.Danmark wrote:... Biblical prophesies are worthless...
Biblical prophesies are not worthless in my opinon, which I am as much at liberty to state as you are. Or is only one of us free to state our opinion? If you want to post a scripture to support how utterly worthless biblical prophecy is feel free as long as I can use the bible to support my own.Zzyzx wrote: Opinions require no support, but they should not be considered as valid to any argument, nor will they be considered as legitimate support for any claim.
Daanmark covered it quite well.JehovahsWitness wrote:If I missed the point Zz is more than capable of explaining what that was himself.Danmark wrote:But you are missing the point ...
Zzyzx wrote: .In C&A debates the Bible is NOT considered authoritative regardless what you may think or what opinion you may hold. Note: C&A Guideline 4.JehovahsWitness wrote: My opinion is that the bible is aauthoritive and it is biblical use that determines accurate understanding of biblical expressions.
What ever you think about the Bible is irrelevant. The term 'last days' came from the Bible going back to the Bible over 2000 years ago. Do you have anything to add concerning the term 'last days' from another source that predates the book of Isaiah to add to the debate? Or are you done with trying to figure out what the last days actually are? You seem to not know who wrote the Bible. It might be adventitious to know for sure before you make guesses.Danmark wrote:2timothy316 wrote:....Zzyzx wrote:
The Bible may be considered authoritative in TD&D or Holy Huddle sub-forums, but is no more authoritative than any other book in debates in this (C&A) sub-forum. Consult Guidelines if in doubt.
The Bible is the central focus for thousands of years to define doctrine for true Christians, why would anything else be used? If we we discussing a math equation wouldn't we use a calculator and not a pineapple? So why not use the source of where the term 'last days' came from rather from people's opinions?Comparing 66 books by various, often anonymous authors who frequently tell tales that defy simple observation as well as exhaustive science, to a 'calculator' is laughably inapposite. The Bible has exactly the same authority as Grimms' Fairy Tales, per the guidelines of this forum as Z says.
Who wrote 'The Bible?' Thomas Nelson or Zondervan? Moody? Faithwords? Maybe Bethany House or Dove.
The concept of 'Last Days' is hardly an exclusively Christian concept. It is exclusively a fantasy concept used by many religions and traditions to collect and control devotees by inducing fear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ApocalypticismArising initially in Zoroastrianism, apocalypticism was developed more fully in Judaic, Christian, and Islamic eschatological speculation.
Apocalypticism is often conjoined with the belief that esoteric knowledge will likely be revealed in a major confrontation between good and evil forces, destined to change the course of history.
The fact that the term "last days" appears in the Bible doesn't mean that the term can only be used in the way some claim the Bible meant it.
Sure. Is the author of this thread an acceptable source?
Do you have anything to add concerning the term 'last days' from another source to add to the debate?
Tcgotseng wrote:
I believe we are in the last days in several aspects, and not all of them are religious.
Another weekly update since this timeline was presented. We are now at week number four. Still no sign of step 1 occurring.2timothy316 wrote:
So a recap to happen next.
1. Declare Peace and Security when there really isn't any but it will seem convincing.
2. A massive attack on world religions, in the way of their property and money. People will abandon their religions and no one will be able to stop it. (Rev. 16:12; 17:15-18; 18:7, 8, 21)
3. A tribulation the world has never seen. Everyone will be affected.
4. An attack on the last remaining religion which is the true religion. (Ezekiel 38:1, 2, 8, 18; 39:4, 11.)
5. Armageddon, the war between the governments of the Earth and Jehovah's Son Jesus. Which will stop the attack on God's people. (Matthew 24:15-22, Revleation 16:14, 16; 19:11-21)
Christianity and the Bible have no monopoly on 'the last days' or 'end times' or 'end of the world'2timothy316 wrote: What ever you think about the Bible is irrelevant. The term 'last days' came from the Bible going back to the Bible over 2000 years ago. Do you have anything to add concerning the term 'last days' from another source that predates the book of Isaiah to add to the debate? Or are you done with trying to figure out what the last days actually are? You seem to not know who wrote the Bible. It might be adventitious to know for sure before you make guesses.
Perhaps, though, some will want to play word gamesSince the beginning of recorded time, people have been thinking about the end of the world. As such, the planet’s major religions have formulated elaborate viewpoints on this topic. In Christianity, the Bible’s Book of Revelation details Armageddon, the final battle on Earth between the forces of God and Satan. Hinduism offers a version in which Vishnu returns to battle evil as a figure on a white horse. The doomsday beliefs of some ancient religions can still be felt in modern secular society, as was the case with the conclusion of the Mayan calendar cycle that predicted the end of the world in 2012.
https://www.history.com/topics/religion ... -the-world
