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2timothy316 wrote:
Zzyzx wrote:
2timothy316 wrote:
But he sees the evidence of things not seen, such as the end of the current system of the world, which is not seen but he can see it's end.
Otseng is a bright fellow, but he is not seeing 'end of the current system' that others do not see. I doubt that he considers himself a seer of the future or a teller of fortunes.
So do you?
Do I what? Consider Otseng a seer of the future or a teller of fortunes?
No I do not. Acknowledging him as a 'bright fellow' does not indicate crediting him with such abilities.
What is your point?
2timothy316 wrote:
You're using him as a reference for truth or are you not...are you back-peddling?
If I happen to agree with a statement someone makes that does NOT indicate accepting the person as 'a reference for truth'
2timothy316 wrote:
Zzyzx wrote:
We are all wise to acknowledge that we do not know the outcome.
Yet to unwise to ignore the most likely outcome.
WHAT, exactly, is 'the most likely outcome' of present world conditions? Be specific.
Is it 'the end of the world?
Perhaps it is akin to the lady thinking it is the end of the world when she can't get her nails done or her hair colored.
2timothy316 wrote:
Zzyzx wrote:
However, changing the current system does NOT equate to 'end times' or 'end of the world'.
Opinion...
Observation that changing conditions have been occurring throughout history without bringing about 'the end of the world'
No need to get overly emotional or dramatic about changing conditions.
2timothy316 wrote:
Zzyzx wrote:
Many pandemics have radically altered societies in the past and economies (world and national) have undergone massive disruption.
Yet the pandemic is not the only thing of the 'last days' according to the book that coined it.
Oh? What did the Assyrians (earliest found reference to the term) say about the matter?
2timothy316 wrote:
Zzyzx wrote:
Predicting that such things will occur does not indicate any gift or wisdom – just some knowledge of the past and some understanding of present conditions.
Actually you're correct. The thing you will not accept is that the person that has "knowledge of the past and some understanding of present conditions" was Jesus Christ some 2000 years ago.
I do not accept unverified / unverifiable TALES claiming that a wandering Jewish preacher had supernatural abilities. I have encountered NO verifiable evidence -- nothing outside the tales themselves -- to indicate supernatural wisdom. Words attributed to Jesus do not seem profound nor demonstrative of great intelligence or ability.
His prediction that he would return within the lifetime of listeners failed. By contrast, during WWII General MacArthur famously said “I shall return� in the Philippines March 1942 and actually DID return in October 1944. MacArthur 1, Jesus 0
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Non-Theist
ANY of the thousands of "gods" proposed, imagined, worshiped, loved, feared, and/or fought over by humans MAY exist -- awaiting verifiable evidence