Are we living in the last days?

[otseng]

From speaking with my brothers and sister, far from undermining our faith and causing confusion, the impact of coronavirus only serves to strengthen our conviction we are living in the last days and our resolve to preach the good news of the kingdom before the Lord tells us the work is complete.

For debate:
Are we living in the last days?

[2timothy316]

An Assyrian clay tablet dating to around 2800 B.C. bears the inscription: “Our Earth is degenerate in these later days; there are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; every man wants to write a book and the end of the world is evidently approaching.�
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ ... n-9126331/

Can Bible mention be shown to have been written prior to 2800 BCE?

Really? The Assyrians...2800?

According to historians, the Assyrians are descendants of Shem, who was one of Noah's sons. Noah didn't father sons until 2470 BCE. The flood was said to be in the year 2370 B.C.E. How can the Assyrians exist 500 years before Shem and before Noah's flood?

But let's say they did exist before the flood....it seems they where right about the Earth's demise.

Recommend researching your sources before just posting whatever you find on Google.

[2timothy316]

Do you have any more information to add other than your opinion to define the 'last days'?

Which "last days?"


Tcg

Word games? Ok....

[Danmark]

But you are missing the point ...

If I missed the point Zz is more than capable of explaining what that was himself.

... Biblical prophesies are worthless...

In your opinion, which you are more than welcome to state.

Opinions require no support, but they should not be considered as valid to any argument, nor will they be considered as legitimate support for any claim.

Biblical prophesies are not worthless in my opinon, which I am as much at liberty to state as you are.

The difference is I supported my opinion with facts and analysis exposing the 'last days prophesies' in Revelation as worthless because they can demonstrate that Trump or whomever, is the antichrist. They are worthless because they have predicted 'the last days are at hand' every day for 2000 years.

You have neither rebutted my analysis, nor offered your own. You only state your opinion. Your unsupported opinion is as worthless as your scriptures' prophetic value. That is the difference between my opinion and yours.

[Tcg]

Do you have any more information to add other than your opinion to define the 'last days'?

Which "last days?"


Tcg

Word games? Ok....

Not at all. As I have demonstrated from this thread alone, the term "last days" can be used in more than one way. Unless you specify in which way you are using it, I can't possibly answer your question.


Tcg

[Zzyzx]

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But he sees the evidence of things not seen, such as the end of the current system of the world, which is not seen but he can see it's end.

Otseng is a bright fellow, but he is not seeing 'end of the current system' that others do not see. I doubt that he considers himself a seer of the future or a teller of fortunes.

So do you?

Do I what? Consider Otseng a seer of the future or a teller of fortunes?

No I do not. Acknowledging him as a 'bright fellow' does not indicate crediting him with such abilities.

What is your point?

You're using him as a reference for truth or are you not...are you back-peddling?

If I happen to agree with a statement someone makes that does NOT indicate accepting the person as 'a reference for truth'

We are all wise to acknowledge that we do not know the outcome.

Yet to unwise to ignore the most likely outcome.

WHAT, exactly, is 'the most likely outcome' of present world conditions? Be specific.

Is it 'the end of the world?

Perhaps it is akin to the lady thinking it is the end of the world when she can't get her nails done or her hair colored.

However, changing the current system does NOT equate to 'end times' or 'end of the world'.

Opinion...

Observation that changing conditions have been occurring throughout history without bringing about 'the end of the world'

No need to get overly emotional or dramatic about changing conditions.

Many pandemics have radically altered societies in the past and economies (world and national) have undergone massive disruption.

Yet the pandemic is not the only thing of the 'last days' according to the book that coined it.

Oh? What did the Assyrians (earliest found reference to the term) say about the matter?

Predicting that such things will occur does not indicate any gift or wisdom – just some knowledge of the past and some understanding of present conditions.

Actually you're correct. The thing you will not accept is that the person that has "knowledge of the past and some understanding of present conditions" was Jesus Christ some 2000 years ago.

I do not accept unverified / unverifiable TALES claiming that a wandering Jewish preacher had supernatural abilities. I have encountered NO verifiable evidence -- nothing outside the tales themselves -- to indicate supernatural wisdom. Words attributed to Jesus do not seem profound nor demonstrative of great intelligence or ability.

His prediction that he would return within the lifetime of listeners failed. By contrast, during WWII General MacArthur famously said “I shall return� in the Philippines March 1942 and actually DID return in October 1944. MacArthur 1, Jesus 0

[2timothy316]

Do you have any more information to add other than your opinion to define the 'last days'?

Which "last days?"


Tcg

Word games? Ok....

Not at all. As I have demonstrated from this thread alone, the term "last days" can be used in more than one way. Unless you specify in which way you are using it, I can't possibly answer your question.


Tcg

Well we do agree on something. My questions can't be answered.

That being said, if one has read this entire thread and can't figure out what 'last days' we are talking about...then that is a problem I can't solve.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to post 254 by Zzyzx]

Not really seeing anything here on the subject of a definition for the 'last days'.

Also, are you talking about the 2800 BCE Assyrians? The ones that seemed to have lived 500 years before the source of that nation, Shem?

[Tcg]

Do you have any more information to add other than your opinion to define the 'last days'?

Which "last days?"


Tcg

Word games? Ok....

Not at all. As I have demonstrated from this thread alone, the term "last days" can be used in more than one way. Unless you specify in which way you are using it, I can't possibly answer your question.


Tcg

Well we do agree on something. My questions can't be answered.

That being said, if one has read this entire thread and can't figure out what 'last days' we are talking about...then that is a problem I can't solve.

One need not read the entire thread to note what I am referring to. This quote can be found on the first page:

We are in the last days of the United States as a great nation. We are rapidly descending into socialism and into a police state. The massive debt incurred by the government, corporations, and individuals will bankrupt us. Society will soon start to collapse as bread lines get longer, grocery shelves get emptier, and more file for unemployment. Massive monetary policy will only lead to hyperinflation and kill the dollar as the reserve currency.

You indeed are the only one who can answer which "last days" you are asking about. As you can see, the biblical ones aren't the only ones in view in this thread.


Tcg

[Zzyzx]

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That being said, if one has read this entire thread and can't figure out what 'last days' we are talking about...then that is a problem I can't solve.

Kindly demonstrate to readers that YOU can figure out 'what we are talking about' with the term 'last days' as it is used in this thread.

Not really seeing anything here on the subject of a definition for the 'last days'.

Provide readers with a concise definition that encompasses the many ways the term has been used here.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to post 257 by Tcg]

If you're not going to read what has been said previously then I have no interest in continuing this discussion.