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For debate:JehovahsWitness wrote: From speaking with my brothers and sister, far from undermining our faith and causing confusion, the impact of coronavirus only serves to strengthen our conviction we are living in the last days and our resolve to preach the good news of the kingdom before the Lord tells us the work is complete.
Yes we are. In fact, the millennium reign of Christ is almost over so as soon as the last human body being used to write and speak for the Holy Spirit has died, it will end it. The next big event will be the NWO enslaving all the citizens on Earth with their AI system's that can speak through the speakers of your computer devices that will warn you if you're within so many feet of an unsafe human body. It will warn the buyers and sellers if you don't have enough money or whether or not you're infected with some disease.otseng wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:42 amFor debate:JehovahsWitness wrote: From speaking with my brothers and sister, far from undermining our faith and causing confusion, the impact of coronavirus only serves to strengthen our conviction we are living in the last days and our resolve to preach the good news of the kingdom before the Lord tells us the work is complete.
Are we living in the last days?
Maybe we could consider the possibility that Christ has already returned - invisibly - not seen by the literal eyes but with the eyes of reason and faith, or, if you will, with the "eyes of the heart" (Ephesians 1:18). Men of faith do not always perceive spiritual things with their literal eyes. For example: We have not seen Jesus in the flesh but we know he existed and we put faith in him. As John 20:29 puts it:Am I certain Jesus will return soon? I'm starting to be convinced of it.
If we believe that we will see Jesus when he returns, the manner of his return would make us reconsider that position. Two scriptures that come to mind:Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Jesus' return is by the "clouds of heaven" - but clouds inhibit literal vision not promote it. Here clouds is used in a metaphorical sense. Jesus was saying here that his return would be invisible - it can only be seen by eyes of faith and reason.Act 1: 9-11 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
And in answer to the high priest at Mark 14: 61,62 NIV before his death: 'Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One? “I am;" said Jesus. "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” '
Deeogee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:15 am [Replying to Deeogee in post #281]
In the OT (Dan.2:44) (Isa.2:1-5) (Joel 2:28) points to (Acts 2) as the time and place of the establishment of the kingdom (or the church).
Spirit anointed born again Christians would one day reign as kings with Jesus but that day was not in the first century, as Paul pointed out. It is incorrect to suggested that the church was the kingdom and the kingdom was the church. And equally jncorrect to suggest that by the time Paul wrote his letter (which was after the outpouring of the holy spirit at pentecost) the kingdom had been established.1 CORINTHIANS 4:8 - New Living Translation
You think you already have everything you need. You think you are already rich. You have begun to reign in God’s kingdom without us! I wish you really were reigning already, for then we would be reigning with you.
FALSE: The is no interchanablity in the above verses. Each clause is very precise
I have already addressed this point. See HERE
