Are we living in the last days?

[otseng]

From speaking with my brothers and sister, far from undermining our faith and causing confusion, the impact of coronavirus only serves to strengthen our conviction we are living in the last days and our resolve to preach the good news of the kingdom before the Lord tells us the work is complete.

For debate:
Are we living in the last days?

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #479]

No one died die for the forgiveness of yours or anyone else's sins.

That's what you said. You keep quoting Christian scripture but try to deflect it when I quote it back. If I'm quoting from the "daughters of Babylon" or whatever, then which translation would you recommend and how does that translation render the verses I've quoted?

[2ndpillar2]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #479]

No one died die for the forgiveness of yours or anyone else's sins.

That's what you said. You keep quoting Christian scripture but try to deflect it when I quote it back. If I'm quoting from the "daughters of Babylon" or whatever, then which translation would you recommend and how does that translation render the verses I've quoted?

The problem is done with the compiler (the daughter of Babylon) and the editor (the daughter of Babylon). Anything Paul or his associates say would be under the realm of being of the "tare" seed (Matthew 13:24-25), and planted via the power of the devil (Matthew 13:37-39), in the same "field'/book as the message of the son of man. As for the "daughter of Babylon"/Whore of Babylon, she was also identified by the formers of the Reformation, yet they kept her "abominations" (Revelation 17:4). One has to separate the good seed from the chaff, the tare seed. At the "end of the age", the chaff will be burned, as in the chaff/tare seed, will be exposed to the light, whereas the tares themselves, will be burnt in a "furnace of fire" (Matthew 13:30), which is the "great tribulation" which happens at the "end" (Mt 24:13-14), such as "end" of "last days" (regular "tribulation"). As for your verses, they have to be investigated thoroughly, and matched with the Law and the prophets. As for what was spoken by Yeshua, he noted that additions and deletions are indeed possible, and possible to the extent he laid down penalties for doing so (Revelation 22:18-19). Your faith is apparently not in the "Word of God", but in the traditions of men. The "traditions of men", are consider an abomination to God (Matthew 15:7-9).

[2ndpillar2]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #479]
"For they think that they will be heard for their many words."

"... every generation of Christians sees the rise of voices who claim to know that they are the terminal generation; the generation of Christians which will see the return of Christ."
https://churchleaders.com/pastors/pasto ... -last.html

I am amazed that after Centuries of every generation claiming to be the last, we have yet again another claim as if the thousands of previous errors had not been made. The first generation of Christians, including Paul, made the claim. From Charles Haze Russell's many claims of the end times (ever changing once the date came and went) to Hal Lindsay's 'Late Great Planet Earth' fiasco these silly claims continue.
The only thing more laughable are the excuses and rationalizations when the predicted date comes and goes with a whimper, not with a bang.

We have been living in the "tribulation" of Matthew 24:3-14 "last days" (Mt 24:3) for 2000 years/2 days per Hosea 6:2, and the end comes after "the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world", which eludes to the "kingdom of God", and not the false gospel of grace, the tare seed producing the tares, which remain until the "harvest" (Matthew 13:30). The "last days", the "tribulation", is a prelude to the "great tribulation", which is deemed the "end", just prior to the coming of the "son of man" (Matthew 24:30).

As for anyone seeing the "return of Christ", they will have to get through/survive/escape the "day of the Lord" (Joel 2:32), the "great tribulation". Yeshua's advice was to be prepared at all times (Matthew 24:42-43). Per Hosea 6:2, it will happen in the 3rd day, which is within the 1000 years following the 2nd day (2000 years).

As for Paul, he prophesized the "we shall not all sleep/die", which is to say he and his listeners are all dead, making him a false prophet. What I am saying is that Yeshua said that one should be prepared, and that Hosea wrote that "I will go away" until Judah and Ephraim acknowledge their guilt, which will happened after two days/2000 years (Hosea 5:15-6:2). Prior to that will be the "tribulation" and "great tribulation" (Matthew 24). As for this being the "tribulation period", Matthew 24 describes the "last days" pretty well, and although the period is long lasting, it fits well (false prophets, lawlessness, many fall away, starting with Peter, wars, famines, and earthquakes). As for there being indications of the end, the cryptic answer is to look at the fig leaves, although no one will know the hour or the day (Mt 24:32-36).

[Tcg]

We have been living in the "tribulation" of Matthew 24:3-14 "last days" (Mt 24:3) for 2000 years/2 days per Hosea 6:2, and the end comes after "the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world", which eludes to the "kingdom of God", and not the false gospel of grace, the tare seed producing the tares, which remain until the "harvest" (Matthew 13:30). The "last days", the "tribulation", is a prelude to the "great tribulation", which is deemed the "end", just prior to the coming of the "son of man" (Matthew 24:30).

As for anyone seeing the "return of Christ", they will have to get through/survive/escape the "day of the Lord" (Joel 2:32), the "great tribulation". Yeshua's advice was to be prepared at all times (Matthew 24:42-43). Per Hosea 6:2, it will happen in the 3rd day, which is within the 1000 years following the 2nd day (2000 years).

As for Paul, he prophesized the "we shall not all sleep/die", which is to say he and his listeners are all dead, making him a false prophet. What I am saying is that Yeshua said that one should be prepared, and that Hosea wrote that "I will go away" until Judah and Ephraim acknowledge their guilt, which will happened after two days/2000 years (Hosea 5:15-6:2). Prior to that will be the "tribulation" and "great tribulation" (Matthew 24). As for this being the "tribulation period", Matthew 24 describes the "last days" pretty well, and although the period is long lasting, it fits well (false prophets, lawlessness, many fall away, starting with Peter, wars, famines, and earthquakes). As for there being indications of the end, the cryptic answer is to look at the fig leaves, although no one will know the hour or the day (Mt 24:32-36).

All these bible quotes are interesting from an academic viewpoint if one is interested in what the bible claims. However, in this sub-forum the bible is not considered authoritative. If one intends to support the idea that these are the end of days they'll need to provide support outside of the bible to do so. Bible quotes are not considered evidence of anything other than a representative of what the bible states in this sub-forum.


Tcg

[2ndpillar2]

We have been living in the "tribulation" of Matthew 24:3-14 "last days" (Mt 24:3) for 2000 years/2 days per Hosea 6:2, and the end comes after "the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world", which eludes to the "kingdom of God", and not the false gospel of grace, the tare seed producing the tares, which remain until the "harvest" (Matthew 13:30). The "last days", the "tribulation", is a prelude to the "great tribulation", which is deemed the "end", just prior to the coming of the "son of man" (Matthew 24:30).

As for anyone seeing the "return of Christ", they will have to get through/survive/escape the "day of the Lord" (Joel 2:32), the "great tribulation". Yeshua's advice was to be prepared at all times (Matthew 24:42-43). Per Hosea 6:2, it will happen in the 3rd day, which is within the 1000 years following the 2nd day (2000 years).

As for Paul, he prophesized the "we shall not all sleep/die", which is to say he and his listeners are all dead, making him a false prophet. What I am saying is that Yeshua said that one should be prepared, and that Hosea wrote that "I will go away" until Judah and Ephraim acknowledge their guilt, which will happened after two days/2000 years (Hosea 5:15-6:2). Prior to that will be the "tribulation" and "great tribulation" (Matthew 24). As for this being the "tribulation period", Matthew 24 describes the "last days" pretty well, and although the period is long lasting, it fits well (false prophets, lawlessness, many fall away, starting with Peter, wars, famines, and earthquakes). As for there being indications of the end, the cryptic answer is to look at the fig leaves, although no one will know the hour or the day (Mt 24:32-36).

All these bible quotes are interesting from an academic viewpoint if one is interested in what the bible claims. However, in this sub-forum the bible is not considered authoritative. If one intends to support the idea that these are the end of days they'll need to provide support outside of the bible to do so. Bible quotes are not considered evidence of anything other than a representative of what the bible states in this sub-forum.
Tcg

The premise of this "Christianity" forum topic was the "last days", apparently in respect to bible prophecy, possibly referring to the "pestilence" of Revelation 6:8, which was to be part of the extermination of a fourth of the earth. In concert with that idea, the "bible" would be the appropriate place to look for evidence, a probable better source than any night mares you might have imagined in your sleep and want to relay. As to the "last days" of the Aztecs, supposedly having our atmosphere stripped away by a solar wind, it may well happen, but not in 2012. One could always look to the Aztec calendar, but their language is Greek to me. For Muslim's, the "last days" is an article of faith, in which one must look to the Quran and Hadiths, and is the 5th article of faith, and is when: "The Muslim Jesus descends and converts the world to Islam, kills the Jews, breaks crosses, declares himself a Muslim and gets married. He dies after 40-years." As to the "last days" of the Christian doctrine, one must look to their bible, of which many of the Protestants supposedly rely on the bible alone. Whether they do so is another question. The title of this forum is "Christianity...", and not Aztec or Muslim, or night dreams of Tcg. All bible references I have given are "representative of what the bible states"

[Tcg]

All bible references I have given are "representative of what the bible states"

Perhaps, but in this sub-forum the bible is not considered authoritative. What you've presented is interesting from an academic perspective, but is not strong evidence to support your claims.

Here's a link to the guidelines of this sub-forum in case you are unaware of the facts I've presented:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9741


Tcg

[JoeyKnothead]

Are we living in the last days?

Yes, and have been for two thousand years now.

Keep a 'prophecy' vague enough and ya can't ever be called on it.

[brunumb]

Anyone who was washed clean, would not need Obama Care, yet in the US, the majority turned to government for their healing, over turning to God, and keeping his Commandments. That will only lead to more floods, droughts, earthquakes, and calamities.

How exactly does that work? Is Yahweh/Jehovah/God/Jesus/whoever watching and deciding to interfere with nature to make more rain, less rain or shift a few geological faults to cause indiscriminate death and destruction? What sort of a ridiculous deity is this anyway. It is the most intelligent and powerful being in existence. It creates a complex universe filled with billions of galaxies and trillions of stars. It picks an insignificant spot in all of this, a ball of molten rock and iron with a thin somewhat unstable crust, to create some creature barely intelligent enough to tie their own shoelaces. It then gets involved in all sorts of mind games and wheeling and dealing with these largely ignorant beings with the ultimate goal to destroy most of them in some great blood-bath and rule over the rest for eternity. This deity would have to be the greatest doofus that ever existed or could exist. How anyone can see any semblance of reality in all of that beggars belief. What an absolute joke. It all speaks to the incredible power of religious indoctrination and the vulnerability of the human mind.

[2ndpillar2]

Anyone who was washed clean, would not need Obama Care, yet in the US, the majority turned to government for their healing, over turning to God, and keeping his Commandments. That will only lead to more floods, droughts, earthquakes, and calamities.

How exactly does that work? Is Yahweh/Jehovah/God/Jesus/whoever watching and deciding to interfere with nature to make more rain, less rain or shift a few geological faults to cause indiscriminate death and destruction? What sort of a ridiculous deity is this anyway. It is the most intelligent and powerful being in existence. It creates a complex universe filled with billions of galaxies and trillions of stars. It picks an insignificant spot in all of this, a ball of molten rock and iron with a thin somewhat unstable crust, to create some creature barely intelligent enough to tie their own shoelaces. It then gets involved in all sorts of mind games and wheeling and dealing with these largely ignorant beings with the ultimate goal to destroy most of them in some great blood-bath and rule over the rest for eternity. This deity would have to be the greatest doofus that ever existed or could exist. How anyone can see any semblance of reality in all of that beggars belief. What an absolute joke. It all speaks to the incredible power of religious indoctrination and the vulnerability of the human mind.

You shouldn't be so hard on yourself. With a little practice you will be able to tie your shoes. As for those with the "intelligence" and coordination to tie their shoes, they can see the practicality of sorting out the wicked, from those who are righteous. The warning was made, and mankind can kill the innocent, or repent and escape the coming calamity, not that the calamity caused by mankind is not already over taking them. The godless, Marxist, communist CCP, kills/aborts the unborn at the rate of over 6 for every 10 children born. They have been subject to typhons, earthquakes, draught and floods, locusts, dam collapses, unreported high Covid cases, energy crisis, with factory shut downs, and streets without street lights, foreign corporations leaving, bankruptcies of large development companies, insolvency of their rapid rail, crash of housing prices, construction falling apart due to faulty construction, countries hating them and coming together to resist their bluster, all because they are a dictatorial government, who flaunt God and his laws, and make their laws according to their own nightmares. If God created you from clay, what is the pot doing judging the potter? If not, and your government is your god, then stay locked up in your home, and see what happens. If China gets tired of paying high prices for Australian coal sold through third parties, they may well come for your country and it's resources. Relying on John Kerry to protect you with future US nuclear type submarines, may not be of any help tomorrow morning. You are not the one in control, and certainly, if you can't tie your own shoes, no one is going to seriously listen to what you might say. If you are south of the equator, you might want to come north. That might make it easier to lace your shoes. The water goes down the sink counter clockwise north of the equator.

[brunumb]

The godless, Marxist, communist CCP, kills/aborts the unborn at the rate of over 6 for every 10 children born.

Given that around 75% of all conceptions fail to reach term without any human intervention, that would make Yahweh/Jehovah/God/Jesus/whatever by far the greatest abortionist of all time, or at least the most unintelligent designer imaginable.

P.S. We are not living in the last days in spite of the raving conspiracy theories and Bible inspired threats that are flying around. Rationality and intelligent thought will prevail.