Are we living in the last days?

[otseng]

From speaking with my brothers and sister, far from undermining our faith and causing confusion, the impact of coronavirus only serves to strengthen our conviction we are living in the last days and our resolve to preach the good news of the kingdom before the Lord tells us the work is complete.

For debate:
Are we living in the last days?

[2timothy316]

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Are we living in the last days?

Bible says about last days:

But know this, that in the last days, grievous times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good, traitors, headstrong, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God;
2 Tim. 3:1-4

I think people are like that nowadays, therefore I would say we are living in the last days. But, I can't say how many last days there are remaining.

Not only are people like that nowadays, they have been for millennia. That means the so-called last days have been happening for every generation of people that have lived. Prophesy is bunk!

How can you know this? Because you have lived for a millennia and can break it down for us how everything is exactly the same? Where is the proof that everything is just as it always has been? I know 80 and 90 year old people that are shocked at what they see today in their own neighborhoods. They tell me they lived in a much more peaceful time and today it's crazy. I have never met a person that has lived for over 65 years that says that people of the world have acted the same through out their life. Even from my life experience, when I was in school I never had to worry about school shootings.

[2ndpillar2]

The godless, Marxist, communist CCP, kills/aborts the unborn at the rate of over 6 for every 10 children born.

Given that around 75% of all conceptions fail to reach term without any human intervention, that would make Yahweh/Jehovah/God/Jesus/whatever by far the greatest abortionist of all time, or at least the most unintelligent designer imaginable.

P.S. We are not living in the last days in spite of the raving conspiracy theories and Bible inspired threats that are flying around. Rationality and intelligent thought will prevail.

I think you are quoting from the wrong source. 75% of women attest to have been pressured into having an abortion, and most of them believed it was wrong. As for your 75% figure, that figure would be with respect to how many successfully implanted fertilized eggs go to full term, if they make it through the first month. As for the first month, 70% of fertilized eggs will not implant, for whatever reason. The most logical reason, in line with animals, is that there was a health, multiple fetuses, or a nutritional or drug problem, which led to the aborting, which is nature's way of protecting the mother from undue physical stress. With abortion, the abortion itself is the main reason for stress in women, and for the rest of their lives, of course, with the exception of psychopaths, prior to the psycopathic US supreme court decision of the 60s, which will hopefully be reversed, sooner rather than later, in order to modify the coming judgment. In line with the forum topic, if we are not in the "last days", when are the "last days" according to your supposed rational and intelligent thought persons, you seem to know of, and except for depending on your night dreams, what are the criteria for such a period, or is it your stance that the last days refer to the sun going supernova, versus a meteor strike, similar to what happened 65 million years ago? Please ask the "intelligent" people you are apparently referring too for when the "last days" occur? As the Yellowstone Park super volcano as well as the southern California rift slippage are past due, are those your "last days" events. Would tremors, prior to California slipping into the ocean be a "last days" event? How are you, a guy who apparently knows, or are aware of "intelligent" people, going to escape from that calamity if you are visiting California? Or for that matter, visiting New Zealand, which is basically the remnants of a semi active super volcano.

[Tcg]

75% of women attest to have been pressured into having an abortion, and most of them believed it was wrong.

That's an astounding claim. Can you present any verifiable evidence to support it?


Tcg

[2ndpillar2]

75% of women attest to have been pressured into having an abortion, and most of them believed it was wrong.

That's an astounding claim. Can you present any verifiable evidence to support it?


Tcg

A study in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/study ... pressured/

[brunumb]

75% of women attest to have been pressured into having an abortion, and most of them believed it was wrong.

That's an astounding claim. Can you present any verifiable evidence to support it?


Tcg

A study in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/study ... pressured/

It wasn't 75% of all women but 75% of women with a history of abortions and involved a very limited number. Your wording was designed to make it sound a lot worse than necessary. But that still doesn't do anything to mitigate the abysmal failure of God to protect the unborn when around 75% of all conceptions fail to reach term without any human intervention. Is God the ultimate abortionist or just a failed, unintelligent designer?

[Tcg]

75% of women attest to have been pressured into having an abortion, and most of them believed it was wrong.

That's an astounding claim. Can you present any verifiable evidence to support it?


Tcg

A study in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/study ... pressured/

It wasn't 75% of all women but 75% of women with a history of abortionsand involved a very limited number. Your wording was designed to make it sound a lot worse than necessary. But that still doesn't do anything to mitigate the abysmal failure of God to protect the unborn when around 75% of all conceptions fail to reach term without any human intervention. Is God the ultimate abortionist or just a failed, unintelligent designer?

Additionally, the women surveyed were "seeking post-abortion counseling services at crisis pregnancy centers." So, presumably, they were struggling in some way as a result of the abortion. That is a very specific subset of women who have had abortions:

The study, led by Priscilla K. Coleman, Professor of Human Development and Family Studies at Bowling Green State University, Ohio, included anonymous surveys from 987 women seeking post-abortion counseling services at crisis pregnancy centers nationwide. While the findings are not representative of all women in the U.S. who have had an abortion, they nevertheless reveal a significant real and widespread problem among many post-abortive women in America.

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https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/study ... pressured/

An honest title for this article would be: Almost 75% of 987 women seeking post-abortion counseling services reported being pressured.


Tcg

[Athetotheist]

There's a simple way to prevent a vast majority of abortions: the widespread availability of safe, effective, affordable contraception.

[2ndpillar2]

There's a simple way to prevent a vast majority of abortions: the widespread availability of safe, effective, affordable contraception.

Or you could abstain from "fornication".

[2ndpillar2]

75% of women attest to have been pressured into having an abortion, and most of them believed it was wrong.

That's an astounding claim. Can you present any verifiable evidence to support it?


Tcg

A study in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/study ... pressured/

It wasn't 75% of all women but 75% of women with a history of abortions and involved a very limited number. Your wording was designed to make it sound a lot worse than necessary. But that still doesn't do anything to mitigate the abysmal failure of God to protect the unborn when around 75% of all conceptions fail to reach term without any human intervention. Is God the ultimate abortionist or just a failed, unintelligent designer?

Polls are generally made with a "limited number", and are generally accurate to within around 3 to 5% depending on the integrity of the poll. The women without an abortion don't have the same problems which those with the abortion do. My wording was taken from a professional review.

As for a real life analysis of the tribulation, such as pestilence, of the "last days", look at the Progressive areas which promote abortion and lawlessness, such as California, with its power outages, fires, lack of water resources, high taxes, lost industry, lost population, lawlessness, etc. Chicago and New York, have also suffered loss of population, and lawlessness. Businesses are leaving New York because of the Progressive regulations and the rewarding of lawlessness. Los Angeles pays lawless people a monthly stipend not to kill others. People have been wise in trying to flee the cities before the sky falls. The sword and famine generally precede pestilence, but in todays scenario, it looks like this manufactured pestilence will precede the famine and the sword. Like when the first shall be last and the last shall be first. When the electrical grid goes down, then same day delivery fails, and the grocery stores are empty, then people go hungry, and war/brutality breaks out. Those who are prepared will barely survive, those who are scoffers, will not fare well. The "great tribulation", is simply the judgment of God, and a lawless people, who think they are gods, and make their own laws, will increasingly suffer under those laws, or non laws.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #499]

As for a real life analysis of the tribulation, such as pestilence, of the "last days", look at the Progressive areas which promote abortion and lawlessness, such as California, with its power outages, fires, lack of water resources, high taxes, lost industry, lost population, lawlessness, etc. Chicago and New York, have also suffered loss of population, and lawlessness.

I notice that you make no mention of Texas, where people spent last winter freezing in their homes because that conservative state's deregulated power grid failed, or the storms which have been pounding right-wing Florida.