The flood (again)

[Zzyzx]

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In a current thread someone said:

Would you like to have a debate on the deluge or Jesus' resurrection?

As people join the Forum they maybe unaware that some topics have been debated many, many times. Perhaps they think they have 'killer arguments' that are compelling.

Question for debate: Was the Earth flooded 'to the tops of mountains' as described in Genesis?

[Clownboat]

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In a current thread someone said:

Would you like to have a debate on the deluge or Jesus' resurrection?

As people join the Forum they maybe unaware that some topics have been debated many, many times. Perhaps they think they have 'killer arguments' that are compelling.

Question for debate: Was the Earth flooded 'to the tops of mountains' as described in Genesis?

There is no evidence to suggest such a thing.
Therefore, to even debate it like we have done many times is to give it attention that it does not actually deserve.

[1213]

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Question for debate: Was the Earth flooded 'to the tops of mountains' as described in Genesis?

I believe so, because there is vast amount of evidence for it:
1. All the stories in different cultures.
2. Marine fossils on high mountains.
3. Gas and oil fields, result of vast amount of drowned organic material.
4. Modern continents. (http://www.kolumbus.fi/r.berg/geology.html)
5. Old coast lines in high places.

[JehovahsWitness]

Question for debate: Was the Earth flooded 'to the tops of mountains' as described in Genesis?

Yes I believe so.. Although every question regarding the account cannot be answered, there is no valid reason for anyone that believes in miracles not to accept the account of the flood as factual.



TOPOLOGY

How could the waters have covered the mountains?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 30#p983830

What can be learnt from the presence of animal marine fossils in the tops of mountains?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 28#p984828

Do mountains not "grow" at a slow steady rate?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 37#p983837

How can the earth's present topology be explained [high mountains]?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 76#p983976

How could the Ark come to rest on Mt. Ararat before the tops of the mountains were seen?
viewtopic.php?p=755310#p755310

Would the passengers of the ARK not have suffocated at such elevated levels? [Zzyzx]
viewtopic.php?p=792737#p792737

WATERS

Where did the waters come from ?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 07#p983807

Where did the waters come go ?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 13#p983813

How could marine life have survived the DESALTIFICATION of the oceans?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 18#p983818

[Difflugia]

Yes I believe so. It was I believe, a miracle!

Is it like the Catholic miracles of the Eucharist, where two separate miracles are that the host becomes the body of Christ, yet doesn't taste like the body of Christ ("That in this sacrament are the true Body of Christ and his true Blood is something that 'cannot be apprehended by the senses,' says St. Thomas, 'but only by faith, which relies on divine authority.'")? It's a miracle that the Flood happened, but also a miracle that any evidence that it did "cannot be apprehended by the senses?"

[JehovahsWitness]

Is it like the Catholic miracles of the Eucharist...?

I couldnt say, I dont know enough about the Catholic miracles of the Eucharist. When I refer to a miricale, I mean ...

Definition of MIRACLE
1: an extraordinary event manifesting divine intervention in human affairs

source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/miracle

JW

To learn more please go to other posts related to

MIRACLES , JESUS' MIRACLES, and MESSIANIC PROPHECY

[JehovahsWitness]

Is it like the Catholic miracles of the Eucharist...?

I couldnt say, I dont know enough about "the Catholic miracles of the Eucharist". When I refer to a miracle, I mean ...

Definition of MIRACLE
1: an extraordinary event manifesting divine intervention in human affairs

source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/miracle

JW

To learn more please go to other posts related to

MIRACLES , JESUS' MIRACLES, and MESSIANIC PROPHECY

[Zzyzx]

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Question for debate: Was the Earth flooded 'to the tops of mountains' as described in Genesis?

Yes I believe so

What you believe is of NO significance in debate (may be appropriate for a personal blog).

[William]

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In a current thread someone said:

Would you like to have a debate on the deluge or Jesus' resurrection?

As people join the Forum they maybe unaware that some topics have been debated many, many times. Perhaps they think they have 'killer arguments' that are compelling.

Question for debate: Was the Earth flooded 'to the tops of mountains' as described in Genesis?

Firstly it would be rude not to include that 'someone's' name, since they are a Member of this board and should be given such respect just on that point....also a link needs to be provided so that we readers can cross check to get the gist of where this came from - a bit of background is usually good information... especially for those future browsers whom might stumble across this then long sunken thread...

According to the rumors I have heard, there has been no evidence on Earth which shows us categorically that there was such a flood.

If the rumor is wrong, I am sure someone will let me know...

Also in thinking of the associate stuff happening central to the story, I cannot grasp how a vessel built from rudimentary materials could have been able to have the room for a pair of every mammal, let alone the various type of food the animals would also need.

Then I thought about how the fish of the sea would not need to be on the vessel - then I thought about how so much rain would dilute the sea and cause massive extinction, some of which we should be able to find evidence of - at least in the shallows...

Mostly I think there would have been far better ways of preserving animals than going through all that rigmarole...any creator of this simulation could have simply restocked the planet after the fact.

Then the argument becomes something along the lines that the creator wanted humans to learn a lesson by forcing them to do the hard yards...but I am not convinced that any lesson was learnt, so reserve the right to question that argument...

So for now, my answer to the OPQ is that the story is made up - perhaps a favorite around the campfire where the families of tribes collected together for warmth and companionship...it brings questions to the table as to what the creator was thinking when [he] created the simulation...what was [he] trying to achieve?

We are told that human beings and animals too [IIRC] had 'become evil' - as in - were acting against their/natures nature...so why save those animals anyway? Did the creator pick the best out of the lot, as we are told he did in choosing Noah, and direct them to journey to the Ark? [no taxi's back then - you who cannot fly will have to walk...]

Did the people around the fireside take such stories as non-fiction, as we today simply take a movie...as part of something which entertained us in the snug of our living rooms and which we might even find symbolic meaning within - but nothing more than that?

And if so, when did these stories start to become facts and why?

And from there, what punishments - if any - were created for those who refused to see the stories as facts?

[bluegreenearth]

In order to mitigate for confirmation bias in our investigation of this claim, we must avoid the temptation to search for evidence that would seem to confirm the proposed explanation is true. The reason it is problematic to begin with the intention of collecting evidence that would seem to confirm the truth of the claim is because the same evidence is often equally supportive of alternative or contradictory explanations. Instead, we should identify what we would expect to observe if the claim is demonstrably false and search for that evidence. If we cannot identify anything that would demonstrate the claim is false, then we must acknowledge where it cannot be known as true or false. Given the above methodology, is there a way for us to know if the claim is false?