The flood (again)

[Zzyzx]

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In a current thread someone said:

Would you like to have a debate on the deluge or Jesus' resurrection?

As people join the Forum they maybe unaware that some topics have been debated many, many times. Perhaps they think they have 'killer arguments' that are compelling.

Question for debate: Was the Earth flooded 'to the tops of mountains' as described in Genesis?

[Zzyzx]

Given the above there is no valid reason not to conclude that our present relatively short lifespan is the anomally and the result of some kind of malfunction and the biblical narrative an accurate reflection of our original state.

. . . Whatever it takes to make Jewish folklore sound like a true story for Christian Creationist Apologetics.

HOWEVER, the Jewish perspective on Genesis is very different.

"In Jewish religious thought Genesis is not regarded as meant for a literal reading, and Jewish tradition has not usually read it so."

Thus a literal reading of the Bible, on which "creation science" implicitly insists, misses the point of the Bible itself, which seems uninterested in literal interpretation. Like poetry and certain kinds of prose, which sometimes speak in metaphors and symbols, the Bible as a whole does not intend these stories to be taken literally.

Literalism is not only misleading but is also a disservice to the cause of the Bible itself. It forces the Bible to compete as science, and in such a competition it cannot win. In a scientific age such as ours the Bible will never be accepted as science by educated people.

What is more, attempting to secure acceptance for it as science is hardly worthwhile, for this would divert attention away from the Bible’s religious message to details which from a religious point of view are trivial.
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/articl ... -allegory/

Bold added

Christian creationism takes Jewish stories that were NOT intended to be literal -- and tries to present them as literal truth.

Which is more credible in deciding how Jewish literature should be interpreted -- Jews or Christians?

[JehovahsWitness]

Now, shall we return to those estimates you've yet to provide to support this claim:

According to the measurements provided in the bible the ark would have had more than enough room for the animals and sufficient food storage.

Tcg

What further estimates do you believe need to be provided?







ARK SIZE (ANIMALS)

Would the ark have been big enough for all the animals?
viewtopic.php?p=792345#p792345

How MANY animals would Noah have had on the ark?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 05#p984905

What is a biblical "kind" ?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 30#p984330

How much food storage space would have been needed?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 55#p984555

What is the estimated food space needed for the yearly feed of two adult elephants?
viewtopic.php?p=1014828#p1014828

Did Noah put all the animals to sleep in the ark?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 25#p995625

Topology (mountains) & Water
viewtopic.php?p=1014724#p1014724

Why are there so many flood myths?
viewtopic.php?p=1014830#p1014830

[Tcg]

Now, shall we return to those estimates you've yet to provide to support this claim:

According to the measurements provided in the bible the ark would have had more than enough room for the animals and sufficient food storage.

Tcg

What further estimates do you believe need to be provided?

All of these:

This determination can't possibly be made without knowing the exact total number, weight, size, and food consumption of all the animals claimed to be on the ark. Please present those totals so we can judge the validity of your as yet unsupported claim.


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

I do believe I have provided all the relevant estimates in the links above. See post #72 link HERE
viewtopic.php?p=1015063#p1015063



Regards,


JW

[Tcg]

I do believe I have provided all the relevant estimates in the links above.

Certainly you won't be hesitant to present them here if your claim is true. I'll eagerly await that presentation.


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

No problem: Here they are: Post #72 link HERE
viewtopic.php?p=1015063#p1015063

Estimated number if animals (catagorized by approximate size not weight) , estimated size of vessel? Estimated space required for presumed largest eaters?...


JW

[Tcg]

No problem


Here they are: Post #72 link HERE
viewtopic.php?p=1015063#p1015063

I didn't ask you to present the links again, but rather the estimates. I'm sorry if my straightforward request confused you.


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

I am pointing you to what I have written regarding estimates on the size and the number of animals estimated to have been in the ark. With over 14,000 post to date, forgive me if I choose not to write the same posts twice for your satisfaction. If you choose not to scroll back or follow directed links to read what I have written, then your questions will I'm afraid remain unanswered by me.


Have a most excellent and joy filled day,

JEHOVAHS WITNESS

[Tcg]

With over 14,000 post to date, forgive me if I dont write the same posts twice. If you choose not to scroll back and read what I have written on any give topic then your questions will I'm afraid remain unanswered by me.

Alas, your claim on this thread will remain unsupported. What a disappointment.


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

I can only hope you can live with your grief. In the mean time feel free to re-read what I have posted on the topic I'm sure you'll find they have the information you are seeking.


Go well and go in peace,


JW



ARK SIZE (ANIMALS)

Would the ark have been big enough for all the animals?
viewtopic.php?p=792345#p792345

How MANY animals would Noah have had on the ark?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 05#p984905

What is a biblical "kind" ?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 30#p984330

How much food storage space would have been needed?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 55#p984555

What is the estimated food space needed for the yearly feed of two adult elephants?
viewtopic.php?p=1014828#p1014828

Did Noah put all the animals to sleep in the ark?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 25#p995625

Topology (mountains) & Water
viewtopic.php?p=1014724#p1014724

Why are there so many flood myths?
viewtopic.php?p=1014830#p1014830