Is omnipotence metaphor?

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Is omnipotence metaphor?

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Okay, the claim is that God is omnipotent and "can do anything."

But the source, the Bible is acknowledged by its deepest believers as having allegory and metaphor.

It also claims such paradoxical things as freewill in the face of this, and other things like needing angels and having conflict.

Let's do the exercise of assuming all of these are true.

Wouldn't a creature who has command of creatures like angels be omnipotent?
If God was omnipotent through span and control, rather than magic, would it still be omnipotent, at least to the limited comprehension of Bible writers?

Even though this creature could control everything, even up to say the extreme of your body movements, it does not mean you wouldn't have freewill, would it? nor even knowing "everything."

Even the definition of everything allows this:
Everything: 1. all things; all the things of a group or class.
2. N/S

Thus everything is not explicitly "everything about everything."

Indeed, what is the degree of omniscience necessary for a primitive writer to claim "God knows everything," to but not explicitly mean God knows everything about everything?

I mean does God need to know when a mosquito was hatched in 4023 BCE to be functionally omniscient, or does God only need to know those thing sufficient to making perfect decisions?

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Re: Is omnipotence metaphor?

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[Replying to Willum in post #1]
Wouldn't a creature who has command of creatures like angels be omnipotent?
Not necessarily. He would just have to be more powerful than them.
If God was omnipotent through span and control, rather than magic, would it still be omnipotent, at least to the limited comprehension of Bible writers?

That! The bolded part - that can be used in all aspects of the bible. Imagine you writing a story about what you experienced looking at a civilization that 100,000 years more advanced than us. It would probably be written as best you can, but without knowing what you're seeing fully, it would read rather oddly - like magic even.
Even though this creature could control everything, even up to say the extreme of your body movements, it does not mean you wouldn't have freewill, would it? nor even knowing "everything."
Ahh free will - one of the biggest lies ever to come out of Christianity - at least the way it's used. Just because something is all powerful doesn't negate one's free will, but when that 'thing' sets up boundaries, your free will, while still existing, is limited. I guess then we have to decide if that's true free will or not.

Ultimately, an imperfect being can NEVER understand a perfect being. Fear it? Yup. Love it? Ehhhh....can you fully love what you don't understand? Maybe maybe not. Understand it? Not a change. So believers resort to FAITH. Which is an excuse to me. But that's a different story.

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