Why children are starving

[Clownboat]

Children are starving on a planet that is abundant with food because mankind rejected God's leadership for their own.

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(DavidLeon considers a god to be anything venerated)

Is there any evidence that children starve because mankind rejected something that is venerated?
Why would rejecting something venerated cause children to starve anyways?

[JehovahsWitness]

Is there any evidence that children starve because mankind rejected something that is venerated?
Why would rejecting something venerated cause children to starve anyways?

Are you suggesting that someone has said that God starves children because certain people do not worship Him? I see no evidence for the above premise and have yet to meet someone that advocates such an idea.

JAMES 1:13b

... with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone

JW

[Diagoras]

The reasons for starvation (or, to a lesser degree, 'food insecurity') can be explained without recourse to any action or inaction of a god: poverty is the greatest factor.

Worthwhile link: https://www.fhfh.org/hunger-in-america. ... gJwVPD_BwE

In the U.S., hunger is not caused by a scarcity of food, but rather the continued prevalence of poverty.

I'd just say in addition though, that religious groups in general often work to alleviate food scarcity, like many charities do. Important to acknowledge many people's sincere desire to help others and prevent suffering. People working together to understand the real causes of poverty can achieve much good - irrespective of their beliefs.

[Clownboat]

Is there any evidence that children starve because mankind rejected something that is venerated?
Why would rejecting something venerated cause children to starve anyways?

Are you suggesting that someone has said that God starves children because certain people do not worship Him?

If I was suggesting such a thing, it would be odd to ask if there is evidence for it. Clearly, I'm asking if there is evidence.
Now, whether the thing being venerated causes children to starve directly or children starve due to rejecting this venerated thing is not a mechanism I could comment on due to the fact that the venerated thing being rejected could be anything for all I know. Therefore, can it be shown that there is any truth to DavidLeon's claim?

I see no evidence for the above premise and have yet to meet someone that advocates such an idea.

You argue against a strawman.
If you care to take a stab at answering any of the actual questions posed so far, it might prove interesting.

Do you agree that children starve due to rejecting a venerated thing? This is the claim being addressed.
Do you think that rejecting something venerated could be a mechanism that would cause children to starve (directly or inderectly, it matters not).

[JehovahsWitness]

Are you suggesting that someone has said that God starves children because certain people do not worship Him?

If I was suggesting such a thing, it would be odd to ask if there is evidence for it. Clearly, I'm asking if there is evidence.

No, I don't believe there is any evidence for the above. It ludicrous God starves children because some individuals dont believe in him. As I said, I've never come across anyone that suggests such a thing but I'd be interested in hearing from any one that contends that God starves children for any reason much less because of disbelief.

Since you are not contending the above I have no issue with you.


JW

[JehovahsWitness]

The reasons for starvation (or, to a lesser degree, 'food insecurity') can be explained without recourse to any action or inaction of a god: poverty is the greatest factor.

Worthwhile link: https://www.fhfh.org/hunger-in-america. ... gJwVPD_BwE

In the U.S., hunger is not caused by a scarcity of food, but rather the continued prevalence of poverty.

I'd just say in addition though, that religious groups in general often work to alleviate food scarcity, like many charities do. Important to acknowledge many people's sincere desire to help others and prevent suffering. People working together to understand the real causes of poverty can achieve much good - irrespective of their beliefs.

Yes I have to agree. As they say we have enough for our need not our greed! Humans have caused greed no gods required.

JW

[DavidLeon]

Children are starving on a planet that is abundant with food because mankind rejected God's leadership for their own.

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(DavidLeon considers a god to be anything venerated)

Is there any evidence that children starve because mankind rejected something that is venerated?
Why would rejecting something venerated cause children to starve anyways?

I didn't want to bite this because it isn't reasonable but I don't have anything else to do right now so I'll play along.

Why would rejecting something venerated cause children to starve anyways? Another reason why it's important to be aware that anyone or anything that is venerated can be a god because it doesn't apply to just any god it only applies to Jehovah. Why? Because if Adam had not rejected Jehovah's sovereignty there never would have been any governments or starvation of children or anyone else.

Isn't that painfully obvious? Even if you don't believe in Jehovah and don't believe the Bible to be true if you were a reasonable person with even a cursory knowledge of the Bible you should be able to see it's meaning.

[unknown soldier]

Children are starving on a planet that is abundant with food because mankind rejected God's leadership for their own.

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(DavidLeon considers a god to be anything venerated)

Is there any evidence that children starve because mankind rejected something that is venerated?

There is no such evidence that I'm aware of. I see no way that a lack of veneration can lead to starvation. More plausible explanations for starvation include famine and war.

Why would rejecting something venerated cause children to starve anyways?

The Christian answer is that God becomes very upset if we fail to obey his every word and if we do not stoke his ego. He loses his temper under such circumstances and lashes out at us using a "shotgun approach" punishing the innocent as well as "the guilty." Logically, a perfectly moral being would never act that way. So it's obvious that the Christian God is modeled after a petty and insecure human tyrant.

[unknown soldier]

Are you suggesting that someone has said that God starves children because certain people do not worship Him? I see no evidence for the above premise and have yet to meet someone that advocates such an idea.

Many Christians claim that the woes of the world result from our "rebellion" against God which all started in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3). God is upset with us for hurting him through our disobedience, and he then allows us to suffer which would include children starving. So while God may not starve children in an active sense, he does starve them by doing nothing to feed them.

What do you disagree with here?

[Overcomer]

unknown soldier wrote in response to the question "why would rejecting something venerated cause children to starve anyways?" wrote:

The Christian answer is that God becomes very upset if we fail to obey his every word and if we do not stoke his ego. He loses his temper under such circumstances and lashes out at us using a "shotgun approach" punishing the innocent as well as "the guilty."

No, that is NOT the Christian answer to that question. It sounds more like an atheist's erroneous idea of what a Christian answer is, but it certainly isn't a Christian answer. A Christian answer is this:

God expects US to be his feet and hands in this world. He expects US to look after others, whether they are Christians, Muslims, atheists, agnostics, Pagans, Hindus, communists, socialists, Republicans, Democrats, anarchists, nihilists, or whatever. Worldview and belief system are immaterial. If God loved all the world enough to send Jesus Christ to provide salvation for us, he certainly loves the world enough to feed it. But he has given us the responsibility of doing so.

For example, there is the parable of the sheep and goats in which the King thanks his people for feeding and clothing him. When the people respond that they have never done that, he responds that, when you feed and clothe others, you are feeding and clothing him. The King, of course, is Jesus. We are his subjects. The key verse is this one:

‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ (Matt. 25:40).

And there are these:

"But if your enemy is hungry, feed him, if he is thirsty, give him something to drink" (Rom. 12:20).

"And one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?" (James 2:16).

Christians are instructed to care for widows and orphans in James 1:27 and are taught that faith without works is dead (James 2:14-17), meaning that true faith will always be lived out in our actions as we help others.

If there are people starving, that's the fault of human beings, not God. He has given us the privilege of caring for others in his name with his love and the resources to do so. If we fail to do that, it's on us, not God. THAT is the Christian answer to the question above.