Who Started That Lie Faith Comes by Hearing the Word of God?

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Who Started That Lie Faith Comes by Hearing the Word of God?

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So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

How many times have you spoken the word of God to someone
and it did not give them any faith?

Atheist read the words of God and it does not change them or give them any faith.

Many many people saw Jesus with their own eyes raise the dead and heal the lame, sick and blind
it did not give them any faith nor did it convert them. Many many people
walked and followed Jesus but turned back. Even His own 12 apostles had little faith,
for Jesus was always rebuking them for their lack of faith
and one of them betrayed Him.

So...Who Started That Lie Faith Comes by Hearing the Word of God?

And where and how do you obtain your faith?

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Re: Who Started That Lie Faith Comes by Hearing the Word of God?

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brunumb wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:04 pm
jimtatertayte wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:26 am No one starts out with zero faith when they come into existence.
Of course they do. Faith isn't given by God, it's inculcated by human beings acting on vulnerable minds. No gods necessary.
You don't even know what is faith.
If so explain it to me.

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I do not have to believe I am me.

I know it.


That is beyond faith.

First you have to believe it
then you know it.

Once you know it
you do not need any faith
to believe it.

Now there is another part of that which makes it complete...but I am not going to reveal that to you.

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Re: Who Started That Lie Faith Comes by Hearing the Word of God?

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jimtatertayte wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:07 pm
brunumb wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:04 pm
jimtatertayte wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:26 am No one starts out with zero faith when they come into existence.
Of course they do. Faith isn't given by God, it's inculcated by human beings acting on vulnerable minds. No gods necessary.
You don't even know what is faith.
If so explain it to me.
What's with all the silly games?

Faith: strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.
George Orwell:: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.”
Voltaire: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
Gender ideology is anti-science, anti truth.

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brunumb wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:56 am
jimtatertayte wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:07 pm
brunumb wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:04 pm
jimtatertayte wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:26 am No one starts out with zero faith when they come into existence.
Of course they do. Faith isn't given by God, it's inculcated by human beings acting on vulnerable minds. No gods necessary.
You don't even know what is faith.
If so explain it to me.
What's with all the silly games?

Faith: strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.
This is incorrect.

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jimtatertayte wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:38 am
brunumb wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:56 am
What's with all the silly games?

Faith: strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.
This is incorrect.
Your opinion is noted. Given that you have not made any sense so far, I am not surprised that you do not know the meaning of faith.
George Orwell:: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.”
Voltaire: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
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brunumb wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:19 am
jimtatertayte wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:38 am
brunumb wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:56 am
What's with all the silly games?

Faith: strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.
This is incorrect.
Your opinion is noted. Given that you have not made any sense so far, I am not surprised that you do not know the meaning of faith.
Would you be willing to put up all the blessings you have from God on it?

Ya or nay?

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jimtatertayte wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:06 pmYou can't believe me, and I do not expect you to believe me.
There is a level above believing I am above it.
In a term you may understand ...It is knowing it. I know it.
Now can you understand what I just stated to you?

Here is a very simple example:
I went and put money in a bank.
Now others may have to believe the money
they put in the bank is in the bank.
I do not have to believe the money I put in the bank is in the bank.
I know it is in the bank.
Okay, then how do you know what you know?

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The Tanager wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:33 am
jimtatertayte wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:06 pmYou can't believe me, and I do not expect you to believe me.
There is a level above believing I am above it.
In a term you may understand ...It is knowing it. I know it.
Now can you understand what I just stated to you?

Here is a very simple example:
I went and put money in a bank.
Now others may have to believe the money
they put in the bank is in the bank.
I do not have to believe the money I put in the bank is in the bank.
I know it is in the bank.
Okay, then how do you know what you know?
The Spirit of truth.

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jimtatertayte wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:04 pm
1213 wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:33 pm
jimtatertayte wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:30 am So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

How many times have you spoken the word of God to someone
and it did not give them any faith?...
Faith comes by so, but not necessary always. It does not say it will be so every time.
What you stated does not make any sense.
Sorry, if I was unclear. I meant, person can become faithful (loyal) to God, when he hears about God and God’s message. Before hearing, person can’t become loyal, because he doesn’t know about the matter. But, not all want to be loyal to God, even if they hear the message. So, even if person hears the message, it is possible that he rejects it and doesn’t want to be loyal (faithful) to God.

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[Replying to jimtatertayte in post #79]

How does one who disagrees with you go about challenging their own belief and possibly changing it to agree with what you know?

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