tam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:38 pm
Peace to you,
Hi Tam! I see you're back to make war on my views once again.
Do you seriously want Christians to be like Christ? If they were like him, then they would hate Jews because Jews don't believe the Gospel;
Christ does not hate Jews.
I wouldn't feel too loved if I was falsely accused of murdering people, was called a fool, and was told that my father was the Devil like Christ told the Jews.
He was Himself a Jew;
Only on his mother's side of the family.
His apostles (whom He loved) were Jews; most of His earliest disciples were Jews (and also Samaritans).
I wouldn't feel too loved by anybody who knowingly led me into life-threatening situations. That's the kind of love I don't need!
He even gave His life for them.
You could just as easily say that David Koresh gave his life for his followers. Both Christ and Koresh were religious leaders that not only died at the hands of the authorities but led many of their followers to die the same tragic way. Dying a violent death is not necessarily "for" anybody. In most instances it's just a violent death. I think it's a perversion of the very idea of love to say that dying for somebody means you love them. I must wonder how many men and women have died for their spouses and at the hands of their spouses because they loved their spouses.
He did not call for eye for eye upon those who had Him killed; He called for forgiveness for them. He also went FIRST to the Jews (then also Samaritans, since Samaritans are also Israel).
Tam, you know that's not true. According to the Christ myth, Christ is to destroy and damn all those who refuse to worship him.
And I will repeat my earlier statement in this thread: Christianity is not Christ. Just because "Christianity" (the religion) does something or teaches something, this does not mean that it was inspired or taught by Christ. Some (many) listen to a religion more than (even instead of) Christ.
Why should anybody believe you were inspired or taught by Christ? I see no more evidence from you than from Christianity.
Just because one drinks alcohol does not mean that one is a drunkard. And even if one does get drunk, are you for some reason judging them for it?
In Matthew 11:19 Christ gripes of his being accused of being a drunkard. He does not deny the charge. And yes, I do indeed judge those who get drunk. I judge them as being drunkards. I'm not saying they are bad people but only that they need help. So Christ was a messed up guy whom I would be very foolish to emulate.
You say this because Christ did not allow his mother/brothers to 'take him in hand' and stop Him from continuing to do the work that He had been sent to do? Because He did not put their request to see Him, before the needs of the people He was serving?
I don't know about that, but Christ did treat his family with contempt and in particular his mother. If there's any truth to Christ's story, it appears that Christ had a very poor relationship with his mother. I think that if he did, then that would explain his poor attitude toward women and sex.
they would preach the barbaric Mosaic Law that mandated killing insubordinate children;
You don't remember these words from Christ then:
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Or,
"Go and learn what this means: I desire mercy, not sacrifice."
Sure, Tam, much of what we are told about Christ's indoctrination of his followers is inconsistent. It appears that his story is a story of a man who thought it was more important to make a rhetorical impact on people than to get his dogma straight.
Or perhaps too imaginary to mention.
I'm not making anything up. Everything I post in this forum about Christian doctrine is based on my reading and studying the Bible and reading and listening to the works of Christians.
And if I claimed I had face-to-face talks with Christ, I'd be very slow to accuse others of imagining things!
Christ harmed no one. He also healed the servant whom Peter harmed, and rebuked Peter for his action; Christ also rebuked His disciples when they asked Him if He wanted them to call down fire from heaven upon some people who would not welcome Him. He commanded His disciples to turn the other cheek, to pray for those who mistreat us, to bless those who curse us, to forgive those who wrong us, to be merciful, and to love even our enemies.
And as anybody who has read the New Testament knows, Christ casts most of humanity into a lake of fire.
Sweet Jesus!
