You can love someone without liking them. They may be a good person at heart, but you don't like how the talk to others, their political views, their style....whatever.
Can you love God without liking him?
You may be able to love God for what or who he is, but not like what he's done to people in the past (or what he's doing or allowing currently). Or not?
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Re: Loving but not liking
Post #61It is no the purpose of our existence. This physical world phase is only like temporary lesson, not the purpose of life.brunumb wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 4:48 pmThat's a pretty useless purpose for our existence. Let's face it, God hasn't achieved anything. He hasn't even demonstrated a single one of the attributes we humans have given him. ...1213 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:10 amThat people can achieve what they want, which is, to know like God what evil is.bluegreenearth wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:13 am ...
If God can achieve his objective for humanity without humans needing physical bodies, then what is the purpose of physical bodies?
And I think He has demonstrated attributes that are told in the Bible. I think they are not given by humans, but shown by God by His actions.
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Re: Loving but not liking
Post #62This physical existence is what most people are referring to when they talk about life. Why do we need this life in order to be taught about evil?1213 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:18 pmIt is no the purpose of our existence. This physical world phase is only like temporary lesson, not the purpose of life.brunumb wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 4:48 pmThat's a pretty useless purpose for our existence. Let's face it, God hasn't achieved anything. He hasn't even demonstrated a single one of the attributes we humans have given him. ...1213 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:10 amThat people can achieve what they want, which is, to know like God what evil is.bluegreenearth wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:13 am ...
If God can achieve his objective for humanity without humans needing physical bodies, then what is the purpose of physical bodies?
And I think He has demonstrated attributes that are told in the Bible. I think they are not given by humans, but shown by God by His actions.
No, God has never demonstrated any aspect of his existence. Any of his alleged actions are nothing more than accounts by human beings expressing their opinions that God was somehow involved. It's telling that God was able to create an entire universe with everything in it on his own, but to produce his memoir he needed the help of numerous anonymous people to jot down their stories on his behalf. The Bible could have used a huge amount of that fine tuning he supposedly applied to the universe to make it work.
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Re: Loving but not liking
Post #63Why depend upon verbal or written communication in first place? Many ancient languages are no longer in use, not everyone is fluent in more than one of the existing languages, and the intended meanings of a language's words and phrases are frequently irreversibly changed or lost when translated into other languages. In fact, one of the best methods a god could use to ensure her/his/its divine communications will be misinterpreted, mistranslated, or completely lost is to have them spoken in the language of one particular ancient human culture and transcribed by fallible scribes onto impermanent paper scrolls. Would it be reasonable to abductively infer from the notorious unreliability of the spoken and written word that no omniscient deity would be so irresponsible and evil as to have eternal salvation depend upon an inherently flawed and continuously evolving form of communication?brunumb wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:27 pm No, God has never demonstrated any aspect of his existence. Any of his alleged actions are nothing more than accounts by human beings expressing their opinions that God was somehow involved. It's telling that God was able to create an entire universe with everything in it on his own, but to produce his memoir he needed the help of numerous anonymous people to jot down their stories on his behalf. The Bible could have used a huge amount of that fine tuning he supposedly applied to the universe to make it work.
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Re: Loving but not liking
Post #64bluegreenearth wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:17 pm
Why depend upon verbal or written communication in first place?
HAS GOD CHOSEN A CORRUPTIBLE METHOD OF COMMUNICATION?
If an omnipotent God has chosen to communicate whatever His chosen method, there would be no risk of his purpose of such communication being thwarted, since he would have the power to remedy any problem. Given the above, and in view of the fact that humans invariably communicate verbally or in writing, why NOT use these methods ?
If you can control everything in the universe including the postman, why not just send a letter?
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Re: Loving but not liking
Post #65Absolutely. When he chooses not to communicate, or communicate in mysterious ways (as some claim), then we must either question his motives (or lack of), our ability to understand (which God could clear up if he wanted) or the fact that there is no communication as there's either no god or no communicating god.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:11 ambluegreenearth wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:17 pm
Why depend upon verbal or written communication in first place?
HAS GOD CHOSEN A CORRUPTIBLE METHOD OF COMMUNICATION?
If an omnipotent God has chosen to communicate whatever His chosen method, there would be no risk of his purpose of such communication being thwarted, since he would have the power to remedy any problem.
If you can control everything in the universe including the postman, why not just send a letter?
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Post #66Because here we can experience also evil, without it destroying our soul. I think this “life” is like virtual reality, like Matrix.
I disagree with that. The existence of this world and life and Bible are demonstration of His existence.
Bible is not His memoir. It is a book that people have written about what they have experienced.
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Re: Loving but not liking
Post #67[Replying to 1213 in post #67]
Facts about the bible: It's a series of stories compiled in to a book; it was written by people; it was edited by people; it was translated by people.
Everything else, as far as I can see, is personal opinion.
'Here' is the only place where you can experience evil without it destroying our soul? There's no other place to do it?Because here we can experience also evil, without it destroying our soul.
While that works for you, it doesn't for others, as I'm sure you're aware. It's all about individual perception.The existence of this world and life and Bible are demonstration of His existence.
Doesn't change the fact that God didn't do it himself as many claimBible is not His memoir.
Belief is a funny thing. It only needs people for it to exist. Many Christians believe the Bible is the word of God exactly as he said/done. Some even think it as living, as I'm sure you know.It is a book that people have written about what they have experienced.
Facts about the bible: It's a series of stories compiled in to a book; it was written by people; it was edited by people; it was translated by people.
Everything else, as far as I can see, is personal opinion.
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