Is God supernatural, paranormal, magical, mystical...?

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Is God supernatural, paranormal, magical, mystical...?

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Supernatural - of, relating to, or being above or beyond what is natural; unexplainable by natural law or phenomena; abnormal
Paranormal - of or relating to the claimed occurrence of an event or perception without scientific explanation, as psychokinesis, extrasensory perception, or other purportedly supernatural phenomena
Magic - the art of producing illusions as entertainment by the use of sleight of hand, deceptive devices, etc.; legerdemain; conjuring
Magical - of or relating to magic
Mystical - of or relating to supernatural agencies, affairs, occurrences, etc.

Some say God isn't beyond the laws of natural, thus making him not supernatural.
Paranormal might work, except, maybe, for the psychokinesis and the like (Christians tend not to like things like that).
Christians scream bloody murder if God is called magic or magical (god forbid)!
So maybe mystical is the best definition? Here's a list of mystical Christians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_mystics
But isn't God 'more than' those mere mortals? Besides, some define mysticism as becoming one with God or the Absolute, but may refer to any kind of ecstasy or altered state of consciousness which is given a religious or spiritual meaning.
Though, Christianity can still fall under this umbrella as outlined here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysticism

How would you define God?
How should we all define God?

Or is God outside all definitions? If so, then how can we understand or know him?
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[Replying to nobspeople in post #1]

God is metaphysical. Metaphysics is the division of philosophy that is concerned with the fundamental nature of reality and being. The world literally means “along with or beyond the physical.”

We can of course try to make God fit into another category. This is something we can do with most words. For instance, a presidential candidate who was trailing in nearly every national poll then winning the election would certainly be “abnormal.” Therefore, we could say that President Trump’s election in 2016 was a supernatural event. However, I think that most rational people would agree that this is twisting words to get a desired outcome.

Similarly, we could twist words to say that God is magical or paranormal. However, if our goal is accuracy without bias then the correct word is metaphysical.
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nobspeople wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:30 pm ...
How would you define God?
How b[]should[/b] we all define God?

Or is God outside all definitions? If so, then how can we understand or know him?
I personally believe in Bible God, and He is defined in the Bible for example by these:

God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
John 4:24

He who doesn't love doesn't know God, for God is love.
1 John 4:8

We know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and he who remains in love remains in God, and God remains in him.
1 John 4:16

No magic there.

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1213 wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:39 pm
nobspeople wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:30 pm ...
How would you define God?
How b[]should[/b] we all define God?

Or is God outside all definitions? If so, then how can we understand or know him?
I personally believe in Bible God, and He is defined in the Bible for example by these:

God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
John 4:24

He who doesn't love doesn't know God, for God is love.
1 John 4:8

We know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and he who remains in love remains in God, and God remains in him.
1 John 4:16

No magic there.
Is it fair to say that, to you God is love and nothing else?
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nobspeople wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:30 pm
How would you define God?
A fictional supernatural being who is said to have created the universe and everything in it, and may also interact with it.
How b[]should[/b] we all define God?
See the above.


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1213 wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:39 pm No magic there.
The magic is in saying "God is love" and believing that it actually makes any sense. It is just pure rhetoric. You could get as much meaning from saying pineapple is anger.
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nobspeople wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:30 pmMagic - the art of producing illusions as entertainment by the use of sleight of hand, deceptive devices, etc.; legerdemain; conjuring
That's not how people actually understand the word. If it were, there wouldn't be a distinction between "real magic" and "stage magic."

People will colloquially refer to the form of entertainment as "magic," but stage magicians refer to themselves as "illusionists" for the same reason Velveeta is "cheese product."

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While God's real magic is sticks to snakes (Ex 4:3) and water to wine (John 2:9-10), it's also fire from heaven (1 Ki 18:28) and the Earth opening up to swallow people on command (Num 16:30-32).

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[Replying to Difflugia in post #7]
That's not how people actually understand the word. If it were, there wouldn't be a distinction between "real magic" and "stage magic."
The definition was taken from Websters in an effort to supply a solid definition. Real or stage seems to be a sub category for provided Webster definition.
People will colloquially refer to the form of entertainment as "magic," but stage magicians refer to themselves as "illusionists" for the same reason Velveeta is "cheese product."
HAHA very true :approve:
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nobspeople wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:42 pm ...
Is it fair to say that, to you God is love and nothing else?
If Bible would say so.

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1213 wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:09 pm
nobspeople wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:42 pm ...
Is it fair to say that, to you God is love and nothing else?
If Bible would say so.
Does the bible say so to you?
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