We see 'the church' actively trying, throughout history, to control the sex lives of humanity. From saying what's right or what's wrong, to birth control, it seems like 'the church' has an interest in the sex lives of everyone, even committed couples. People even use the bible to say what's right and wrong in the context of sex.
While we can guess why 'the church' is interested in the sex lives of people, what's God's deal?
If he can see everything you do, why does sex seem to be one of his (many) hot buttons? Why does God want to control who (and in some cases, what) people have sex with?
Or does he not care and it's 'the church' that's taking up the battle?
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Post #61I want to know the OP's definition of God and he/she thoughts of it's tenants its rules. OP struggles between "the church" and all ideologies. That would really settle this argument.
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Post #63Hold on. How about answering my question first. You said "You [by which I assume you mean nobspeople, the author of the OP] never defined the premises." And I'm still curious as to what the conclusion was for which you're looking for premises. What was the conclusion?dnj231 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:32 pmI want to know the OP's definition of God and he/she thoughts of it's tenants its rules. OP struggles between "the church" and all ideologies. That would really settle this argument.
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Post #64Miles,Miles wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:04 pmHold on. How about answering my question first. You said "You [by which I assume you mean nobspeople, the author of the OP] never defined the premises." And I'm still curious as to what the conclusion was for which you're looking for premises. What was the conclusion?dnj231 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:32 pmI want to know the OP's definition of God and he/she thoughts of it's tenants its rules. OP struggles between "the church" and all ideologies. That would really settle this argument.
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Post #65Well you certainly seemed to appreciate my input when, in post 59, you said:dnj231 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:24 pmMiles,Miles wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:04 pmHold on. How about answering my question first. You said "You [by which I assume you mean nobspeople, the author of the OP] never defined the premises." And I'm still curious as to what the conclusion was for which you're looking for premises. What was the conclusion?dnj231 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:32 pmI want to know the OP's definition of God and he/she thoughts of it's tenants its rules. OP struggles between "the church" and all ideologies. That would really settle this argument.
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My initial post was never directed towards you. Sorry about that ?
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Post #66Moderator CommentJehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:15 pm If you are concerned your world view is wrong I can only suggest you seek help from a preacher, priest, lawyer or mental health care professional.
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Post #67It makes me wonder if this feeling they, well, feel, is more mental than an actual real feeling.Dimmesdale wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:18 pmI believe eroticism exists in God in a sense. Many mystics have reported experiences which seem to mirror the ecstasies felt in orgasm. This is not to say sex exists in any gross form in God. But perhaps what we find on earth is a mirror of that ecstatic joy. Perhaps God thinks that, given how the world is sinful, we are apt to pervert this natural urgency of the sexual instinct - and therefore also pervert the meaning of true ecstatic joy.nobspeople wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:27 am We see 'the church' actively trying, throughout history, to control the sex lives of humanity. From saying what's right or what's wrong, to birth control, it seems like 'the church' has an interest in the sex lives of everyone, even committed couples. People even use the bible to say what's right and wrong in the context of sex.
While we can guess why 'the church' is interested in the sex lives of people, what's God's deal?
If he can see everything you do, why does sex seem to be one of his (many) hot buttons? Why does God want to control who (and in some cases, what) people have sex with?
Or does he not care and it's 'the church' that's taking up the battle?
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If we are given to think that sexuality is the highest good in terms of pleasure, then we may idolize it and overlook what it really mirrors - something deeper that exists in God.
In other words, do these mystics experience what they want, developed by themselves (unconsciously maybe?) and attribute it to more than it is?
Of course, all feelings could be, in a sense, seen that way.
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Post #68If by interesting it is meant "enjoys observing or participating in" then I dont believe either is to YHWH (Jehovah) my God. They are however part of our human history, and since the bible centers on the human condition mentioned in scripture.
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Post #69JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Fri Jan 29, 2021 12:58 pm
If by interesting it is meant "enjoys observing or participating in" then I dont believe either is to YHWH (Jehovah) my God. They are however part of our human history, and since the bible centers on the human condition mentioned in scripture.
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"Of the 107 occasions where God’s unimaginable killing power can be counted, a single massacre in 2 Chronicles immediately makes that book the bloodiest in the entire book. Asa, King of Judah, one of the 12 tribes of Israel, begged the Lord to stop an army of “a thousand thousand” Ethiopians, which were attacking his kingdom. God liked Asa because he “took away the alters of the strange gods,” and so his request was granted. “The Lord smote the Ethiopians … they were destroyed before the Lord,” it states in 2 Chronicles 14:12-13. It’s one of several times God steps in to help his followers, the Israelites, win a war.
But God doesn’t discriminate—earlier in 2 Chronicles, the Lord smites 500,000 of his own men, simply because other Israelites ask him to. Facing an ambush from the defected Kingdom of Israel, the men of Judah “cried onto the Lord.” It was all God needed. “There fell down slain of Israel five hundred thousand chosen men,” it’s written in 2 Chronicles 13:17."
Sure seems like he's interested in it, at least in some fashion.
Of course, all these killings were justified I'm sure.
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Post #70Yes I agree, tGod never kills without just reason.nobspeople wrote: ↑Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:46 pm
Sure seems like he's interested in it, at least in some fashion.
Of course, all these killings were justified I'm sure.
However I was addressing the question of "murder* and lying" (which God is never depicted as doing) rather than killing which, sadly he has had to do on occassion but only as you speculated, when entirely justified. If by "interested" in murder and lyjng, you mean concerned about them happening and not indifferent to their effects, then yes I believe God is interested in murder and killing. Being interested in a crime is the first requirement if a judge is to give justice to its victims.
* murder: unlawful killing
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