Why is the bible needed at all?

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Why is the bible needed at all?

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Nothing existed but God. One 'day' God decided to make everything. Thus life began, based on the biblical story.
Over time, things happened and God seemed to say to himself, 'Y'all know what? I think I need to start appointing people to write this junk down!"
Thus the bible began.
Over the years, he appointed more people to write down, not only what he said, but what he did.
Later, it was edited and translated and distributed throughout the planet.

Today, us lowly humans, have almost instant communication via the internet.

So it brings to question, why did God need the bible written down at all? Why doesn't God simply download what he wants us to know directly into our brains? Even before the wheel, God could have directed what he wants us to know in to our brains. He made our brains, our desire to know, think and understand many claim.
Surely this would have been better than an old fashion written word!
And yet, here we are (robots on other planets, DNA being sequenced, desiring to explore the universe) yet we still must rely on an old style, written word.
Why?
Why didn't God tell us directly what he wanted us to know and ignore the need for a written word at all?
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Re: Why is the bible needed at all?

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[Replying to 1213 in post #51]

What I'm asking here, in this thread, is why does God need to communicate through a flawed method such as a written word when he's capable of so much more?

In regards to different sects being different, if this isn't what God wanted he'd step in ensure this stopped long ago.

The point here is this: God is letting people become confused because they're relying on the bible which is ambiguous when God is more than capable to preventing this.
But he's not.
So either he doesn't care, he's powerless to stop it, he's enjoying it or he's not real (as best I can tell).
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Re: Why is the bible needed at all?

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1213 wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 3:23 am
2ndpillar2 wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:46 pmAs with the "many" (Matthew 7:13-23), as shown in Malachi 3:15, the "wicked", also known as the lawless, will not be able to distinguish between righteousness and wickedness.
Neither of those says wicked are not able to distinguish between righteousness and wickedness.
2ndpillar2 wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:46 pmThe "wicked", the lawless, will not "understand" (Daniel 12:10).
Many shall purify themselves, and make themselves white, and be refined; but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand; but those who are wise shall understand.
Daniel 12:10

Yes, and I think that is because they don’t want to understand, not because they are not able to understand.
2ndpillar2 wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:46 pm
The Apostle Paul summarized the message of salvation – the Gospel – in 1 Corinthians 15, “Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you.
The Gospel is that sins are forgiven. When sins are forgiven, person is saved from the judgment that would have come because of sin. But, that is not all, forgiveness gives a new start, but it is not yet that you are in life yet. As Jesus tells, eternal life is for righteous. There must happen change in person so that he doesn’t continue in sin.

Paul really is not against the law.
Daniel 12:10 reads "none of the wicked will understand", which is to say, that none of the wicked will understand, whether they want to or not. To understand, one must repent, and be baptized in the Spirit of God, and produce fruit "in keeping with your repentance". If you are born again, and born in the Spirit of God, you will not sin again. If you sin again, you remain in your sin, and are not baptized in the Spirit of God.

As for being forgiven for one's sin, such as being healed, Yeshua told the healed man, sin no more less something worse happens to you. King David sinned, repented, was born in the Spirit, produced fruit in line with his repentance, and yet he did not escape his judgment. He lost his kingdom, and some of his wives. Christians of today do not have the Spirit of power to heal or forgive sins (James 5:16). They will surely all die (Jeremiah 31:30), and judgment (Revelation 20:12) is for the deeds, good and bad acts of all, the great and the small. Paul's gospel, the gospel of grace is the antithesis of Yeshua's gospel of the kingdom, whereas those with the mark of the beast, born forth from the Roman church, the church of the beast with two horns like a lamb, will all have to drink from the cup of God's wrath (Revelation 14:10).

As for Paul nailing the law to the cross, see Col 2:14:
having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us and which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

No, you have apparently have been deceived along with "those who dwell on the earth" per Revelation 13:14, by way of the beast with two horns like a lamb, which is Constantine with his two Christlike figures, whom he built his church, those being Peter and Paul.

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Re: Why is the bible needed at all?

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2ndpillar2 wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:58 pm No, you have apparently have been deceived along with "those who dwell on the earth" per Revelation 13:14, by way of the beast with two horns like a lamb, which is Constantine with his two Christlike figures, whom he built his church, those being Peter and Paul.
Revelation is the Marvel comic book of its day and its only value now is in inspiring epic fantasy fiction movies.
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2ndpillar2 wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:58 pm No, you have apparently have been deceived along with "those who dwell on the earth" per Revelation 13:14, by way of the beast with two horns like a lamb, which is Constantine with his two Christlike figures, whom he built his church, those being Peter and Paul.
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nobspeople wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:09 pm Nothing existed but God. One 'day' God decided to make everything. Thus life began, based on the biblical story.
Over time, things happened and God seemed to say to himself, 'Y'all know what? I think I need to start appointing people to write this junk down!"
Thus the bible began.
Over the years, he appointed more people to write down, not only what he said, but what he did.
Later, it was edited and translated and distributed throughout the planet.

Today, us lowly humans, have almost instant communication via the internet.

So it brings to question, why did God need the bible written down at all? Why doesn't God simply download what he wants us to know directly into our brains? Even before the wheel, God could have directed what he wants us to know in to our brains. He made our brains, our desire to know, think and understand many claim.
Surely this would have been better than an old fashion written word!
And yet, here we are (robots on other planets, DNA being sequenced, desiring to explore the universe) yet we still must rely on an old style, written word.
Why?
Why didn't God tell us directly what he wanted us to know and ignore the need for a written word at all?
Well, this is often my argument against the existence of a god that wants a personal relationship with people. A personal god who wants people to know him would use any means he could to start relationships with people--he wouldn't be limited by the speed of human migration across the world. So, it's looking an awful lot like God doesn't exist outside of human imagination. Another way of looking at this (I started a thread on it recently that Christians apparently have no rebuttal for) is that if Christianity were an objective fact, we would expect that theologians around the world who are earnestly seeking the truth would find Jesus without having to be told about him by other people i.e. we would expect independent discoveries of Christianity if it were true.

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nobspeople wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:41 am ...God is letting people become confused because they're relying on the bible which is ambiguous...
Otherwise nice, but Bible is not ambiguous.

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2ndpillar2 wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:58 pm …Daniel 12:10 reads "none of the wicked will understand", which is to say, that none of the wicked will understand, whether they want to or not...
Yes, but Bible doesn’t say they could not understand, it says only that they don’t understand.

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1213 wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:16 pm
nobspeople wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:41 am ...God is letting people become confused because they're relying on the bible which is ambiguous...
Otherwise nice, but Bible is not ambiguous.
What you're stating as a fact is not because you're making a claim that isn't supported by reality. Millions if not more people would disagree with you. It sounds arrogant to think you're right and those millions are wrong, simply because YOU believe a certain way, don't you think? Or is it faith?
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1213 wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:16 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:58 pm …Daniel 12:10 reads "none of the wicked will understand", which is to say, that none of the wicked will understand, whether they want to or not...
Yes, but Bible doesn’t say they could not understand, it says only that they don’t understand.
If you read Matthew 13:13, it is quoting with respect no understanding, from Isaiah 6, which does not conclude in "understanding" until the "cities are devastated and without inhabitant" (Har-Magedon) until only the "holy seed" remains. That time may be close, but no cigar at this time, except for "those with insight" (Daniel 12:10).

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1213 wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:16 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:58 pm …Daniel 12:10 reads "none of the wicked will understand", which is to say, that none of the wicked will understand, whether they want to or not...
Yes, but Bible doesn’t say they could not understand, it says only that they don’t understand.
Then it would seem God is fine with some not understanding, while others are fine to understand. Is that really a being one wants to worship? One that is fine with people not understanding, even if they want to understand?
I suppose with billions on the planet, some would be OK with this. I'm not one of them =;
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