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Are the stars falling from heaven?

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Is the pope, the supposed holder of the keys of David, on his way of being like a peg driven into a wall giving way, and all who hang onto him, being cut off? (Isaiah 22:15-25) The cardinal who represents the Vatican in the US gave an interview whereas he told how the pope has promoted pedophile cardinals among the pedophile mafia of the Vatican , after the pope had vowed to have zero tolerance for pedophiles. He spoke of the pedophile Vatican mafia's ties with Biden, Clinton, the Democrat party etc. Apparently US cardinals are asking for the pope to resign. I think the pope will "fall", but I don't see him resigning. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... +to+resign

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2ndpillar2 wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:33 pm Is the pope, the supposed holder of the keys of David, on his way of being like a peg driven into a wall giving way, and all who hang onto him, being cut off? (Isaiah 22:15-25) The cardinal who represents the Vatican in the US gave an interview whereas he told how the pope has promoted pedophile cardinals among the pedophile mafia of the Vatican , after the pope had vowed to have zero tolerance for pedophiles. He spoke of the pedophile Vatican mafia's ties with Biden, Clinton, the Democrat party etc. Apparently US cardinals are asking for the pope to resign. I think the pope will "fall", but I don't see him resigning. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... +to+resign
If you can't trust the pope how can you trust any cardinal that's opposed to him? Seems to me, you can't trust most anyone in there.
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nobspeople wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:49 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:33 pm Is the pope, the supposed holder of the keys of David, on his way of being like a peg driven into a wall giving way, and all who hang onto him, being cut off? (Isaiah 22:15-25) The cardinal who represents the Vatican in the US gave an interview whereas he told how the pope has promoted pedophile cardinals among the pedophile mafia of the Vatican , after the pope had vowed to have zero tolerance for pedophiles. He spoke of the pedophile Vatican mafia's ties with Biden, Clinton, the Democrat party etc. Apparently US cardinals are asking for the pope to resign. I think the pope will "fall", but I don't see him resigning. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... +to+resign
If you can't trust the pope how can you trust any cardinal that's opposed to him? Seems to me, you can't trust most anyone in there.
You don't have to trust the cardinal. Just look at the news reports and the correspondence the cardinal possesses. Not that you can trust the news, but the news is generally progressive, and is generally fine with pedophilia and gender dysphoria. That the pope is linked to Obama, Biden, Clinton, and pedophilia, kind of ties in why Epstein was killed in his jail cell. Who killed Epstein? Well that is another question. How many mafias are out there? The Clinton's appeared to have their own mafia. 100 of their former friends mysteriously died untimely deaths. The cardinal described the Vatican as having their own mafia type organization. The fact that the pope said he would not tolerate pedophilia was well published. The fact that the cardinal in question was admonished by the former pope for pedophilia, and current the pope and cardinals overturned the restrictions placed on the culprit. Seems clear to me. Those of the darkness, hide from the light.

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2ndpillar2 wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:18 pm
nobspeople wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:49 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:33 pm Is the pope, the supposed holder of the keys of David, on his way of being like a peg driven into a wall giving way, and all who hang onto him, being cut off? (Isaiah 22:15-25) The cardinal who represents the Vatican in the US gave an interview whereas he told how the pope has promoted pedophile cardinals among the pedophile mafia of the Vatican , after the pope had vowed to have zero tolerance for pedophiles. He spoke of the pedophile Vatican mafia's ties with Biden, Clinton, the Democrat party etc. Apparently US cardinals are asking for the pope to resign. I think the pope will "fall", but I don't see him resigning. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... +to+resign
If you can't trust the pope how can you trust any cardinal that's opposed to him? Seems to me, you can't trust most anyone in there.
You don't have to trust the cardinal. Just look at the news reports and the correspondence the cardinal possesses. Not that you can trust the news, but the news is generally progressive, and is generally fine with pedophilia and gender dysphoria. That the pope is linked to Obama, Biden, Clinton, and pedophilia, kind of ties in why Epstein was killed in his jail cell. Who killed Epstein? Well that is another question. How many mafias are out there? The Clinton's appeared to have their own mafia. 100 of their former friends mysteriously died untimely deaths. The cardinal described the Vatican as having their own mafia type organization. The fact that the pope said he would not tolerate pedophilia was well published. The fact that the cardinal in question was admonished by the former pope for pedophilia, and current the pope and cardinals overturned the restrictions placed on the culprit. Seems clear to me. Those of the darkness, hide from the light.
I don't deny it's happening, but if someone (not accusing) believes the cardinal over the pope that strikes me as odd and somewhat self serving.
As far as mafias go... I think that term's overused by those who are susceptible to bouts of paranoia. Which is not to say there aren't 'mafia type' organizations in the world. But, from my experience, people tend to latch on to a term and 'run with it' to the extreme
None of this is to say the RCC is a good organization by any means
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nobspeople wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:25 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:18 pm
nobspeople wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:49 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:33 pm Is the pope, the supposed holder of the keys of David, on his way of being like a peg driven into a wall giving way, and all who hang onto him, being cut off? (Isaiah 22:15-25) The cardinal who represents the Vatican in the US gave an interview whereas he told how the pope has promoted pedophile cardinals among the pedophile mafia of the Vatican , after the pope had vowed to have zero tolerance for pedophiles. He spoke of the pedophile Vatican mafia's ties with Biden, Clinton, the Democrat party etc. Apparently US cardinals are asking for the pope to resign. I think the pope will "fall", but I don't see him resigning. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... +to+resign
If you can't trust the pope how can you trust any cardinal that's opposed to him? Seems to me, you can't trust most anyone in there.
You don't have to trust the cardinal. Just look at the news reports and the correspondence the cardinal possesses. Not that you can trust the news, but the news is generally progressive, and is generally fine with pedophilia and gender dysphoria. That the pope is linked to Obama, Biden, Clinton, and pedophilia, kind of ties in why Epstein was killed in his jail cell. Who killed Epstein? Well that is another question. How many mafias are out there? The Clinton's appeared to have their own mafia. 100 of their former friends mysteriously died untimely deaths. The cardinal described the Vatican as having their own mafia type organization. The fact that the pope said he would not tolerate pedophilia was well published. The fact that the cardinal in question was admonished by the former pope for pedophilia, and current the pope and cardinals overturned the restrictions placed on the culprit. Seems clear to me. Those of the darkness, hide from the light.
I don't deny it's happening, but if someone (not accusing) believes the cardinal over the pope that strikes me as odd and somewhat self serving.
As far as mafias go... I think that term's overused by those who are susceptible to bouts of paranoia. Which is not to say there aren't 'mafia type' organizations in the world. But, from my experience, people tend to latch on to a term and 'run with it' to the extreme
None of this is to say the RCC is a good organization by any means
The cardinal is of the age he is expecting to die soon. His reasoning for the expose was to get what he knew off his chest. He had followed procedures for years, and nothing had came of it with respect to exposing the pedophiles. Plus, if they kill him, it is a little late, as he published what he knew. As for this Obama/socialist sucking pope, his history with pedophiles goes back to his days in South America. Pedophiles are located throughout the elites, such as the CEO of the Lincoln project, Denny Hastert, speaker of the house, are at the top end of the elites, and all apparently crooked homosexual/ pedophiles. It used to be that J Edgar Hoover kept dossiers on the elites for manipulation, now it is elites and foreign countries which use information to pull the strings on the twisted powerful. The dossiers seemed to have fallen into the hands of the CIA, who now think they are untouchable because of information they hold on the powerful. Like J Edgar, who was perverted himself, and dressed in dresses, the current crew of perverts will eventual fall as well, and their dossiers will be exposed as well.

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[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #5]
The cardinal is of the age he is expecting to die soon. His reasoning for the expose was to get what he knew off his chest.
So now, because he's dying, he's feeling guilty and needs it known. But, when he was younger and healthier, it wasn't bad?
I'm suspect of anyone that, at the end of their life, needs to 'tell all the bad things' about another. Where was his bravery before?
He had followed procedures for years, and nothing had came of it with respect to exposing the pedophiles.
Then he's in the wrong then, for following procedures when he knew it was wrong.
Plus, if they kill him, it is a little late, as he published what he knew.
He could have published what he knew then. If they killed him then, at least he was brave enough to do the right thing.

This is nothing more than an old, dying man, feeling guilty now that he's close to meeting his creator (in his view) and is trying to make amends for HIS OWN sake, disregarding all those he claims were mistreated.

He strikes me as a coward.

This is NOT to say there's no general issue that needs addressed.
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2ndpillar2 wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:18 pm Just look at the news reports and the correspondence the cardinal possesses. Not that you can trust the news, but the news is generally progressive, and is generally fine with pedophilia and gender dysphoria.
I’m curious how you have determined that ‘the news is generally progressive, and is generally fine with pedophilia’. Can you point to a recent example of a mainstream news article which gives the impression that pedophila is tolerated to any degree?

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2ndpillar2 wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:18 pm Just look at the news reports and the correspondence the cardinal possesses. Not that you can trust the news, but the news is generally progressive, and is generally fine with pedophilia and gender dysphoria.
(emphasis mine)

Those two things have nothing to do with each other. Gender dysphoria is not a choice (this has been scientifically demonstrated and replicated), it doesn’t harm anyone, and it is not equivalent in any way to pedophilia.

You just couldn’t resist an opportunity to get a transphobic dig in, could you? This is a large part of why I left DCR the first time, and why I may leave again. Just the widespread bigoted ignorance with no evidence attached and generally no connection to reality.

Just remember that these labels you throw around have real people behind them. Real human beings who feel singled out, othered, and stigmatized because of something that they can’t control and that harms no one. Also remember that this board is supposed to be based on civility, and comparing groups of innocent people to pedophiles is pretty darn uncivil.
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Diagoras wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:04 am
2ndpillar2 wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:18 pm Just look at the news reports and the correspondence the cardinal possesses. Not that you can trust the news, but the news is generally progressive, and is generally fine with pedophilia and gender dysphoria.
I’m curious how you have determined that ‘the news is generally progressive, and is generally fine with pedophilia’. Can you point to a recent example of a mainstream news article which gives the impression that pedophila is tolerated to any degree?
Well their lack of reporting on Epstein for years kind of kept him in business. The lack of reports on the pope's current pedophilia story kind of shows the medias bias. As for the left's leaning towards the left, read : https://www.investors.com/politics/edit ... eft-study/ . Among the elites involved with the cardinal's story, regarding the pope's pedophilia story, were Biden and the democratic party. The media's unfounded crushing of the Hunter Biden laptop story, would have wounded the leftist Biden's run for president who claimed to be the most progressive elected president in the history of the US. You won't hear the pope's pedophilia problems on the leftist media, nor will you hear about the John Robert's connection with with the pedophile child marketing Epstein in the media. https://newspunch.com/mainstream-media- ... eft-study/ You don't often see the Lincoln project pedophile founder on the leftist media. The leftist/progressive media covers up for the leftist anarchist communist Antifa and the Marxist/socialist BLM who were "mostly peaceful". The media supports leftist conspiracy stories such as a Trump/Russia conspiracy plot, and do not show real Russia-Democratic conspiracies such as the Clinton paid for Russian pee-pee file. As for gender dysphoria, the press seems quite fine with the progressive Pelosi refusing to allow feminine and masculine pronouns in the House of Representatives and Biden signing an executive order letting dysphoric men compete with women.

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Haven wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:20 am
2ndpillar2 wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:18 pm Just look at the news reports and the correspondence the cardinal possesses. Not that you can trust the news, but the news is generally progressive, and is generally fine with pedophilia and gender dysphoria.
(emphasis mine)

Those two things have nothing to do with each other. Gender dysphoria is not a choice (this has been scientifically demonstrated and replicated), it doesn’t harm anyone, and it is not equivalent in any way to pedophilia.

You just couldn’t resist an opportunity to get a transphobic dig in, could you? This is a large part of why I left DCR the first time, and why I may leave again. Just the widespread bigoted ignorance with no evidence attached and generally no connection to reality.

Just remember that these labels you throw around have real people behind them. Real human beings who feel singled out, othered, and stigmatized because of something that they can’t control and that harms no one. Also remember that this board is supposed to be based on civility, and comparing groups of innocent people to pedophiles is pretty darn uncivil.
Gender dysphoria has been historically noted as a mental condition, and has a very high suicide rate among those afflicted. It helps no one to encourage this problem. As long as the afflicted physical male doesn't get in the competitive wrestling ring with a female, or shower with them, there is little problem. If you are an actual women with women parts, the males wouldn't care if you shared their shower. As for your science, science has been sold out to politics. As for noting that the leftist progressive media is fine with Pedophilia and gender dysphoria does not equate the two. Both are dysfunctional or aberrant conditions supported by the reporting or non reporting of the progressive media. I could throw abortion, murdering children, which you seem fine with, or I could throw in your "fairness", equity, or in common terms, socialism the doorway to communism, which leads to millions of deaths through starvation (China, Russia, Cambodia, Venezuela), but media portrays abortion and socialism as main stream, which it isn't. As for your "fairness", which could include equal representation, the abortions in black communities since 1973 is 40 million black voters who will never vote. This aberration was and is supported by the progressive left. If you want to debate, then debate. If you need a "safe space", then your nearest University probably has a safe room.

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