Bigfoot, Dogman, Lizard Man, Moth Man, God. Which is more likely?

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Bigfoot, Dogman, Lizard Man, Moth Man, God. Which is more likely?

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Yeti. Yowie. Grassman. Skunk Ape. There are said to be types of sasquatches - bigfoot as popularized by media over the last 40-ish years.
Dogman
Lizard man
Nessie (Loch Ness monster), Champ and Ogopogo.
Mothman
Even flying humanoids

All of these cryptids have claimed experiencers as well as evidence (photos, videos, tracks, verification of indigenous people from scientific documentation, etc) - some even have potential fossil records to prove they're possible.
While there have been proven fakes (see famous Nessie photo), not all evidence is proven fake.

All of these have more 'evidence' for them than God. There's no footprints of God. No photos or videos or fossil record evidence. The best we have is personal experiences (which, while many hold true fundamentally, there are variances in the how, where and what of the experience), a few claims here-n-there showing 'proof' of a work of God (how many times has Noah's Ark been found?) and a book written by people said to have been inspired by God.


As silly of a comparison as it sounds, there does seem to be more non-anecdotal evidence of Nessie, Bigfoot, Dogman, etc. than God with there being MUCH more believers in God than any of the cryptids.

So does this mean the ultimate outcome (eternal heaven) mean more to people than actual knowledge of something in the here and now?
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Re: Bigfoot, Dogman, Lizard Man, Moth Man, God. Which is more likely?

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1213 wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:59 pm
nobspeople wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:48 am ...So an atheist can be righteous? Or someone who worships another god? After all, anyone can be wise of the just and understand things correctly.
I think person with correct understanding wouldn’t say “God doesn’t exist”, nor would keep something wrong as his God, like for example a golden calf.
So 'correctly' is biased towards your god, in your eyes, which supports my claim that you refuted.
But thanks for the feedback.
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nobspeople wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:04 pm ...So 'correctly' is biased towards your god,...
I think reason is towards Bible God. It simply would not be reasonable to keep something else as God and it would not be reasonable to say that God doesn’t exist.

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1213 wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:17 pm
nobspeople wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:04 pm ...So 'correctly' is biased towards your god,...
I think reason is towards Bible God. It simply would not be reasonable to keep something else as God and it would not be reasonable to say that God doesn’t exist.
In regards to the bolded section, many would disagree. But it depends on one's experiences and ability to engage in level and critical thinking and reasoning.
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I like the comparison of supernatural with supernatural. We all know what we mean by 'supernatural' - something that is outside the understanding of science. Not the knowledge of science. We know about the odd stuff that quantum does - it is a real thing, but can't be explained. Alternatively, there are unknowns that are understood, like alien races on other planets. We just don't know they are real.

There is stuff like gods, ghosts, Bigfoot, flying saucers, astrology, Dowsing and Atlantis. It all falls under the 'supernatural' heading and, if one might protest that 'pseudo - science' is a better term, what is more pseudo - science that the claims of Creationism?

It's true that some science - fringe stuff has been validated, like ball -lightning and the giant squid. Bear in mind that the Higgs -Boson was not validated until the Hadron collider provided evidence. It was (like Abiogenesis) a very likely hypothesis.

On the other hand, some of the supernatural claims can take on the methods of religion, and religion, it has to be said, can take on the methods of pseudo - science. The apologetics for flying saucers and the like are absolutely on a par with religious apologetics. For example 'why don't they land on the White house lawn?' is explained by: 'they can't do that - it would freak society out'. This is not ulike':'Why doesn't God make himself known?' Well freaking us out won't do, but 'it interferes with Free will' will do instead.

So a god really is no more likely than flying - saucer pilots, leprechauns or Santa Claus, which are often used as analogies. That it was taken seriously for thousands of years, and still is, tells us about the human varieties of delusion, but it doesn't tell us anything about gods.

The example of a door handle inexplicably turning is a good one. It sets out nicely what would look like the supernatural or a miracle. But you'd have to validate it or it's just anecdotal. Just the claim that someone saw it would prove nothing. Neither would a video of it. Someone on the other side could be doing it. You have to do repeated investigation and validation or the Claim of the supernatual/miracle is worthless.

Why would they fake it? Just like the UFO apologetoc: "Why would they lie?" Well, because cult apologetics works that way. Evidence is there to persuade people to believe, and since the belief is faith -based, it is legitimate to fake evidence. I have seen plenty of examples of that, both in UFO and religious apologetics.

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Difflugia wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:25 pm
nobspeople wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:07 pmThere's no footprints of God. No photos or videos or fossil record evidence.
Ahem.
We have the next best thing: The footprint of the first human on earth: Adam
https://theislamicinformation.com/stori ... sri-lanka/

(Or maybe its from Buddha or Shiva)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam%27s_Peak

No Matter! Joseph Smith unearthed the Skeleton of Lamanite Chieftain Zelph!
https://www.ldsliving.com/when-joseph-s ... ph/s/86058
So there ARE fossil records (or at least this one)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zelph#: ... 0Mound%208.

We may have no photo of "god", though we may have a real photo of Joseph Smith himself - And that is almost the same as a photo of god, cause Joseph Smith was the greatest Prophet of all time. (He himself wrote that fact into the bible, so it should be true!)
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2022/07 ... n-founder/

Said that, I harbor the suspicion that Mothman was a man-made flying construct. Some sort of remote controlled model airplane with two searchlights (looking like glowing eyes).
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nobspeople wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:32 pm
Difflugia wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:25 pm
nobspeople wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:07 pmThere's no footprints of God. No photos or videos or fossil record evidence.
Ahem.
I watched a Netflix shows a while back about the history of circumcision. It was fascinating both for its history and how many people feel like they were mutulated.
Yep, it is mutilation - courtesy of the Jesus Cult. Yet, they claim they're the Good Guys....

He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
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Sadly, the Christians didn't have Nietzsche to teach them morality, because they haven't learned the lesson. They seem to have become the Amalekites, or worse.
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boatsnguitars wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 4:41 am
nobspeople wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:32 pm I watched a Netflix shows a while back about the history of circumcision. It was fascinating both for its history and how many people feel like they were mutulated.
Yep, it is mutilation - courtesy of the Jesus Cult. Yet, they claim they're the Good Guys....
Circumcision is mutilation, but it is a far cry from the serious mutilation of young people who are having their breasts and genitals hacked off in the insane belief that they can change their sex. The people promoting this are also claiming to be the good guys. Far from it.
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brunumb wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:41 pm
boatsnguitars wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 4:41 am
nobspeople wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:32 pm I watched a Netflix shows a while back about the history of circumcision. It was fascinating both for its history and how many people feel like they were mutulated.
Yep, it is mutilation - courtesy of the Jesus Cult. Yet, they claim they're the Good Guys....
Circumcision is mutilation, but it is a far cry from the serious mutilation of young people who are having their breasts and genitals hacked off in the insane belief that they can change their sex. The people promoting this are also claiming to be the good guys. Far from it.
I think consent has a huge role to play, and that makes the difference.
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God gave a secret, and denied it me?
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[Replying to nobspeople in post #1]

This shows a profound lack of understanding.

God is a metaphysical being. Those others are not. The types of evidence for each are very different.

Learn the arguments in favor of God according to Atheist and Agnostic philosophers. The evidence is not enough to bring their confidence high enough so they believe in God, but they agree there is evidence.

Your question is like asking, what is more likely mathematical realism or bigfoot?

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