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Is Satan The Real God?

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It's commonly claimed that god is a pretty good guy: He:

knows everything…
is all-powerful…
is ever-present…
is sovereign…
is holy…
is absolute truth…
is righteous…
is just…
is love…
is merciful…
is faithful…
never changing

A partial list I'm sure, taken from HERE


Not exactly certain what all of these things are, and some will probably differ depending on whom you ask, but they all seem to be good attributes, and no doubt make him worthy of worship, but on reading about some of the other things he has done:


Sending Bears to Murder Children for making fu of a bald man (4 Kings 2:23-24)

Turning Lot's Wife to Salt for breaking a rule she didn't know existed (Genesis 19:26)

Hating Ugly People (Leviticus 21:17-24)

Committing So Much Genocide (many verses)

Ordering His Underlings to Kill Their Own Children (Genesis 22:1-12)

Killing Egyptian Babies (Numbers 16:41-49)

Killing a Dude for Not Making More Babies (Genesis 38:1-10)

Helping Samson Murder People to Pay Off a Bet (Judges 14:1-19)

Killing People for Complaining About God Killing Them (Numbers 16:1-49)

Everything He Did to Job (Job 1)

Condoning Slavery (Leviticus 25:44-46)

(Also a partial list)



one has to wonder just what kind of guy is running the show. A loving and benevolent god certainly wouldn't deceive people by doing dastardly things. Why would he? But a dastardly god, say one with the scruples of Satan who does a lot of deceitful and harmful things, could well try to deceive people into thinking he is good by occasionally doing the right a proper thing. So, where does this leave us? As I see it "the god of Abraham" reveals himself as more of an evil god (just to note, he does admit to creating evil) than a good god. In which case, it's far more likely that "Satan" is running the show.


What do you think?


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Re: Is Satan The Real God?

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If by "real God" you mean : the real ruler of this world then yes, Satan is the God of this world.

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Re: Is Satan The Real God?

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Miles wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:52 pm .

It's commonly claimed that god is a pretty good guy: He:

knows everything…
is all-powerful…
is ever-present…
is sovereign…
is holy…
is absolute truth…
is righteous…
is just…
is love…
is merciful…
is faithful…
never changing

A partial list I'm sure, taken from HERE


Not exactly certain what all of these things are, and some will probably differ depending on whom you ask, but they all seem to be good attributes, and no doubt make him worthy of worship, but on reading about some of the other things he has done:


Sending Bears to Murder Children for making fu of a bald man (4 Kings 2:23-24)

Turning Lot's Wife to Salt for breaking a rule she didn't know existed (Genesis 19:26)

Hating Ugly People (Leviticus 21:17-24)

Committing So Much Genocide (many verses)

Ordering His Underlings to Kill Their Own Children (Genesis 22:1-12)

Killing Egyptian Babies (Numbers 16:41-49)

Killing a Dude for Not Making More Babies (Genesis 38:1-10)

Helping Samson Murder People to Pay Off a Bet (Judges 14:1-19)

Killing People for Complaining About God Killing Them (Numbers 16:1-49)

Everything He Did to Job (Job 1)

Condoning Slavery (Leviticus 25:44-46)

(Also a partial list)



one has to wonder just what kind of guy is running the show. A loving and benevolent god certainly wouldn't deceive people by doing dastardly things. Why would he? But a dastardly god, say one with the scruples of Satan who does a lot of deceitful and harmful things, could well try to deceive people into thinking he is good by occasionally doing the right a proper thing. So, where does this leave us? As I see it "the god of Abraham" reveals himself as more of an evil god (just to note, he does admit to creating evil) than a good god. In which case, it's far more likely that "Satan" is running the show.


What do you think?
You're confusing God with human descriptions of God.

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Re: Is Satan The Real God?

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Athetotheist wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:52 am
Miles wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:52 pm .

It's commonly claimed that god is a pretty good guy: He:

knows everything…
is all-powerful…
is ever-present…
is sovereign…
is holy…
is absolute truth…
is righteous…
is just…
is love…
is merciful…
is faithful…
never changing

A partial list I'm sure, taken from HERE


Not exactly certain what all of these things are, and some will probably differ depending on whom you ask, but they all seem to be good attributes, and no doubt make him worthy of worship, but on reading about some of the other things he has done:


Sending Bears to Murder Children for making fu of a bald man (4 Kings 2:23-24)

Turning Lot's Wife to Salt for breaking a rule she didn't know existed (Genesis 19:26)

Hating Ugly People (Leviticus 21:17-24)

Committing So Much Genocide (many verses)

Ordering His Underlings to Kill Their Own Children (Genesis 22:1-12)

Killing Egyptian Babies (Numbers 16:41-49)

Killing a Dude for Not Making More Babies (Genesis 38:1-10)

Helping Samson Murder People to Pay Off a Bet (Judges 14:1-19)

Killing People for Complaining About God Killing Them (Numbers 16:1-49)

Everything He Did to Job (Job 1)

Condoning Slavery (Leviticus 25:44-46)

(Also a partial list)



one has to wonder just what kind of guy is running the show. A loving and benevolent god certainly wouldn't deceive people by doing dastardly things. Why would he? But a dastardly god, say one with the scruples of Satan who does a lot of deceitful and harmful things, could well try to deceive people into thinking he is good by occasionally doing the right a proper thing. So, where does this leave us? As I see it "the god of Abraham" reveals himself as more of an evil god (just to note, he does admit to creating evil) than a good god. In which case, it's far more likely that "Satan" is running the show.


What do you think?
You're confusing God with human descriptions of God.
How else would anyone identify a god without describing him/her? Just saying "God is god" tells us nothing. It no more identifies the god of Abraham as it does the gods Odin and Krishna.


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Re: Is Satan The Real God?

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Miles wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:36 pm
Athetotheist wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:52 am
Miles wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:52 pm .

It's commonly claimed that god is a pretty good guy: He:

knows everything…
is all-powerful…
is ever-present…
is sovereign…
is holy…
is absolute truth…
is righteous…
is just…
is love…
is merciful…
is faithful…
never changing

A partial list I'm sure, taken from HERE


Not exactly certain what all of these things are, and some will probably differ depending on whom you ask, but they all seem to be good attributes, and no doubt make him worthy of worship, but on reading about some of the other things he has done:


Sending Bears to Murder Children for making fu of a bald man (4 Kings 2:23-24)

Turning Lot's Wife to Salt for breaking a rule she didn't know existed (Genesis 19:26)

Hating Ugly People (Leviticus 21:17-24)

Committing So Much Genocide (many verses)

Ordering His Underlings to Kill Their Own Children (Genesis 22:1-12)

Killing Egyptian Babies (Numbers 16:41-49)

Killing a Dude for Not Making More Babies (Genesis 38:1-10)

Helping Samson Murder People to Pay Off a Bet (Judges 14:1-19)

Killing People for Complaining About God Killing Them (Numbers 16:1-49)

Everything He Did to Job (Job 1)

Condoning Slavery (Leviticus 25:44-46)

(Also a partial list)



one has to wonder just what kind of guy is running the show. A loving and benevolent god certainly wouldn't deceive people by doing dastardly things. Why would he? But a dastardly god, say one with the scruples of Satan who does a lot of deceitful and harmful things, could well try to deceive people into thinking he is good by occasionally doing the right a proper thing. So, where does this leave us? As I see it "the god of Abraham" reveals himself as more of an evil god (just to note, he does admit to creating evil) than a good god. In which case, it's far more likely that "Satan" is running the show.


What do you think?
You're confusing God with human descriptions of God.
How else would anyone identify a god without describing him/her? Just saying "God is god" tells us nothing. It no more identifies the god of Abraham as it does the gods Odin and Krishna.
To "identify" is to pigeonhole.

How does one define the Tao? The more you try to define it, the further from the true definition you get because it's beyond definition.

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Athetotheist wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:12 pm
Miles wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:36 pm
Athetotheist wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:52 am
Miles wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:52 pm .

It's commonly claimed that god is a pretty good guy: He:

knows everything…
is all-powerful…
is ever-present…
is sovereign…
is holy…
is absolute truth…
is righteous…
is just…
is love…
is merciful…
is faithful…
never changing

A partial list I'm sure, taken from HERE


Not exactly certain what all of these things are, and some will probably differ depending on whom you ask, but they all seem to be good attributes, and no doubt make him worthy of worship, but on reading about some of the other things he has done:


Sending Bears to Murder Children for making fu of a bald man (4 Kings 2:23-24)

Turning Lot's Wife to Salt for breaking a rule she didn't know existed (Genesis 19:26)

Hating Ugly People (Leviticus 21:17-24)

Committing So Much Genocide (many verses)

Ordering His Underlings to Kill Their Own Children (Genesis 22:1-12)

Killing Egyptian Babies (Numbers 16:41-49)

Killing a Dude for Not Making More Babies (Genesis 38:1-10)

Helping Samson Murder People to Pay Off a Bet (Judges 14:1-19)

Killing People for Complaining About God Killing Them (Numbers 16:1-49)

Everything He Did to Job (Job 1)

Condoning Slavery (Leviticus 25:44-46)

(Also a partial list)



one has to wonder just what kind of guy is running the show. A loving and benevolent god certainly wouldn't deceive people by doing dastardly things. Why would he? But a dastardly god, say one with the scruples of Satan who does a lot of deceitful and harmful things, could well try to deceive people into thinking he is good by occasionally doing the right a proper thing. So, where does this leave us? As I see it "the god of Abraham" reveals himself as more of an evil god (just to note, he does admit to creating evil) than a good god. In which case, it's far more likely that "Satan" is running the show.


What do you think?
You're confusing God with human descriptions of God.
How else would anyone identify a god without describing him/her? Just saying "God is god" tells us nothing. It no more identifies the god of Abraham as it does the gods Odin and Krishna.
To "identify" is to pigeonhole.
Silly.
How does one define the Tao? The more you try to define it, the further from the true definition you get because it's beyond definition.
Don't care. The Tao isn't God and is not worshiped.
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Miles wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:33 pmThe Tao isn't God and is not worshiped.
If Tao is the ultimate source of everything, how is it not technically God?

And why does something have to be worshipped to be God?

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Miles wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:52 pm ...
Sending Bears to Murder Children for making fu of a bald man (4 Kings 2:23-24)

Turning Lot's Wife to Salt for breaking a rule she didn't know existed (Genesis 19:26)
...
...So, where does this leave us? As I see it "the god of Abraham" reveals himself as more of an evil god (just to note, he does admit to creating evil) than a good god. In which case, it's far more likely that "Satan" is running the show.

What do you think?
I think you are deceiving. For example, 4 Kings 2:23-24 doesn’t say God sent bears.

He went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, there came forth young lads out of the city, and mocked him, and said to him, Go up, you baldy; go up, you baldhead. He looked behind him and saw them, and cursed them in the name of Yahweh. There came forth two she-bears out of the wood, and mauled forty-two lads of them.
2 Kings 2:23-24

How could you be trusted in anything, when you go astray even in simple scripture like that?

Also, the others seem to be heavily twisted. Like for example Genesis 19:26 doesn’t say God turned Lot’s wife to pillar of salt.

But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.
Genesis 19:26

It appears there was some kind of meteor shower and everyone who would have turned into it, would have been destroyed. If one intentionally turns back to that, even after warning, it is in no way God’s fault. Or what do you think, if I say to you, "don’t put your hand in fire, it will burn you", and you do that anyway, is it my fault, if your hand burns?

Then Yahweh rained on Sodom and on Gomorrah sulfur and fire from Yahweh out of the sky.
Genesis 19:24

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1213 wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:56 pm
Miles wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:52 pm ...
Sending Bears to Murder Children for making fu of a bald man (4 Kings 2:23-24)

Turning Lot's Wife to Salt for breaking a rule she didn't know existed (Genesis 19:26)
...
...So, where does this leave us? As I see it "the god of Abraham" reveals himself as more of an evil god (just to note, he does admit to creating evil) than a good god. In which case, it's far more likely that "Satan" is running the show.

What do you think?
I think you are deceiving. For example, 4 Kings 2:23-24 doesn’t say God sent bears.

He went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, there came forth young lads out of the city, and mocked him, and said to him, Go up, you baldy; go up, you baldhead. He looked behind him and saw them, and cursed them in the name of Yahweh. There came forth two she-bears out of the wood, and mauled forty-two lads of them.
2 Kings 2:23-24

How could you be trusted in anything, when you go astray even in simple scripture like that?
Obviously this isn't the only version. To wit.


2 Kings 2:23-24 ERV
23 Elisha went from that city to Bethel. He was walking up the hill to the city, and some boys were coming down out of the city. They began making fun of him. They said, “Go away, you bald-headed man! Go away, you bald-headed man!”

24 Elisha looked back and saw them. He asked the Lord to cause bad things to happen to them. Then two bears came out of the forest and attacked the boys. There were 42 boys ripped apart by the bears.

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NIRV
23 Elisha left Jericho and went up to Bethel. He was walking along the road. Some boys came out of the town. They made fun of him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here! You don’t even have any hair on your head!” He turned around and looked at them. And he asked for bad things to happen to them. He did it in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods. They attacked 42 of the boys.


Now if you refuse to see the connection then I feel sorry for you and your strained apologetics.

Also, the others seem to be heavily twisted. Like for example Genesis 19:26 doesn’t say God turned Lot’s wife to pillar of salt.

But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.
Genesis 19:26

It appears there was some kind of meteor shower and everyone who would have turned into it, would have been destroyed. If one intentionally turns back to that, even after warning, it is in no way God’s fault. Or what do you think, if I say to you, "don’t put your hand in fire, it will burn you", and you do that anyway, is it my fault, if your hand burns?

Then Yahweh rained on Sodom and on Gomorrah sulfur and fire from Yahweh out of the sky.
Genesis 19:24
And why would she turn into a block of salt? Is this something that commonly, or even uncommonly, happens to people? Nope. In fact it goes against everything we know about chemistry, physics, biology, and nature at large. So what in the world could make such a thing happen? I vote for god. Why? Because at the time he was "working" in the area and seriously involved in bringing terror down upon the town and its folk. Now if you have another candidate in mind, please share.

And FYI, Here's the context, including the stuff god was up to.


Genesis 19:23-26
23 Lot was entering the town as the sun came up, 24 and the Lord began to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. He caused fire and burning sulfur to fall from the sky. 25 He destroyed the whole valley—all the cities, the people living in the cities, and all the plants in the valley.

26 Lot’s wife was following behind him and looked back at the city. When she did, she became a block of salt.


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Athetotheist wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:12 pmHow does one define the Tao? The more you try to define it, the further from the true definition you get because it's beyond definition.
Is that true for anything real, like motorcycles or ice cream cones, or does it only apply to taos and gods?

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