Let's say there's multiple planets with living beings that have souls that God created.
Did the 'sacrifice' of Jesus on Earth cover the sins of those beings on all these other planets?
If so, how?
If not, do you think God would go through this 'sacrifice' for each, individual planet harboring these soulful beings?
If so, do you think there's be another 'son' God would provide of each of these planets? Or how would God do about doing this?
How many species did Christ's sacrifice cover?
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Re: How many species did Christ's sacrifice cover?
Post #11Which, for me, is the sole reason I'm herebjs1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:14 amOk. Enjoy your thought exercise. My only other comment is a reminder that how we answer hypotheticals like this don’t tell us anything about God. They tell us something about ourselves.nobspeople wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:14 pm This question wasn't about what affects you and what doesn't.
Thusly, there's no 'right' or 'wrong' response.
It's simply for speculation and a means of a thought exercise.
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Re: How many species did Christ's sacrifice cover?
Post #12I say it, because there is no reason why it could not be possible, all though I also think other planets don’t have life. But, there is also one scripture that could be interpreted to mean that:nobspeople wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:33 am ...Thank you for finally answering directly!
What do you specifically see, biblically, that led you to decide this?
I have other sheep, which are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will hear my voice. They will become one flock with one shepherd.
John 10:16
However, as you may know, I don’t like interpretations and rather let Bible to explain what it means.
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Re: How many species did Christ's sacrifice cover?
Post #13To clarify: others planets may or may not have life?1213 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:41 pmI say it, because there is no reason why it could not be possible, all though I also think other planets don’t have life. But, there is also one scripture that could be interpreted to mean that:nobspeople wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:33 am ...Thank you for finally answering directly!
What do you specifically see, biblically, that led you to decide this?
I have other sheep, which are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will hear my voice. They will become one flock with one shepherd.
John 10:16
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Re: How many species did Christ's sacrifice cover?
Post #14There's no problem with a "no he didn't" answer to this question that there isn't with just Earth. There were lots of people on Earth who either existed before Jesus or who existed after Jesus and never heard one thing about Jesus.
Eventually missionaries will get to the planet Marklar. We know this from the Holy Visual Records. And what about the Marklars that existed before the missionaries came? Well, either it sucks to be them (because they go to Hell for not knowing what they couldn't have known) or it sucks to be the ones who now have to live their lives around and adapt to a morality that is totally foreign to them.
Eventually missionaries will get to the planet Marklar. We know this from the Holy Visual Records. And what about the Marklars that existed before the missionaries came? Well, either it sucks to be them (because they go to Hell for not knowing what they couldn't have known) or it sucks to be the ones who now have to live their lives around and adapt to a morality that is totally foreign to them.
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Re: How many species did Christ's sacrifice cover?
Post #15I was always told, via church members - some may call them elders - that everyone will 'know of God' be that from directly being told or inferences from nature.Purple Knight wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:56 pm There's no problem with a "no he didn't" answer to this question that there isn't with just Earth. There were lots of people on Earth who either existed before Jesus or who existed after Jesus and never heard one thing about Jesus.
Eventually missionaries will get to the planet Marklar. We know this from the Holy Visual Records. And what about the Marklars that existed before the missionaries came? Well, either it sucks to be them (because they go to Hell for not knowing what they couldn't have known) or it sucks to be the ones who now have to live their lives around and adapt to a morality that is totally foreign to them.
Or some other way.
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Re: How many species did Christ's sacrifice cover?
Post #16Sadly I know this isn't true on a very personal level. Nature doesn't always point in the right direction (male bears kill their cubs), and my conscience actually points the wrong way, and I've had a great deal of evidence for this, so much that it cannot be ignored.nobspeople wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:49 amI was always told, via church members - some may call them elders - that everyone will 'know of God' be that from directly being told or inferences from nature.
Or some other way.
That's why, though personal revelation (which, as JW and Thomas Paine both note, is for that person alone) I know there can't possibly be a god. It extends, however, if there are others like me who have also noted that what they feel is right, is actually wrong, and/or what they feel is wrong, is actually perfectly right and good.
Seeing the level of disagreement there is about morality, I believe there must be many such people.
Now, you could say that it just so happens, no one with a busted conscience would be born unless the Truth was already on the table for them to pick up and read. But then, I ask, which truth ought I to submit to? There are many who have claims to morality and they all disagree. I have no basis to choose. Would God guide me to the truth if I flipped a coin? Well, we can test that. Get somebody else who has a busted conscience and have them flip, once for each religion. Let's see if we get the same one.
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Re: How many species did Christ's sacrifice cover?
Post #17I never believed what I was told above, personally. Not only did it make little sense, but it seemed like another cop-out: "we'll say something so ambiguous that it can't be shown to not be true so there!".Purple Knight wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:59 pmSadly I know this isn't true on a very personal level. Nature doesn't always point in the right direction (male bears kill their cubs), and my conscience actually points the wrong way, and I've had a great deal of evidence for this, so much that it cannot be ignored.nobspeople wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:49 amI was always told, via church members - some may call them elders - that everyone will 'know of God' be that from directly being told or inferences from nature.
Or some other way.
That's why, though personal revelation (which, as JW and Thomas Paine both note, is for that person alone) I know there can't possibly be a god. It extends, however, if there are others like me who have also noted that what they feel is right, is actually wrong, and/or what they feel is wrong, is actually perfectly right and good.
Seeing the level of disagreement there is about morality, I believe there must be many such people.
Now, you could say that it just so happens, no one with a busted conscience would be born unless the Truth was already on the table for them to pick up and read. But then, I ask, which truth ought I to submit to? There are many who have claims to morality and they all disagree. I have no basis to choose. Would God guide me to the truth if I flipped a coin? Well, we can test that. Get somebody else who has a busted conscience and have them flip, once for each religion. Let's see if we get the same one.
I have much more respect for people (believers or otherwise) if they're honest and straight forward with their responses on such things. If you don't know, say 'I'm not sure'. And it's OK, for me, to say 'I believe xyz' instead of 'I know xyz' when there's no way you can know.
Religious people put off more potential converts to their religion by being arrogant. I wonder if they realize this. Or care.
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