Moderator: Moderators
Here in the Bible Belt of South US, in the greatest State of Georgia, South US, a good bunch of us come up being told the Bible was told it directly by God, only it seems, he couldn't write or something, maybe it was Sunday, so he told it all to the fallen and fallible human stenographers, and don't it be all, it's figured he put him his blessed anointing on em not to foul it all up. Best I can tell. Then it was, Saint Printing came along, and I'm here to tell it.
That is more than a little surprising. I checked the source website, but couldn't find any explanation of the term 'non-Christians.'tam wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 4:26 pm Peace to you.
I was only a little surprised for the last number, lol. 19% of people who identify as non-Christians, who believe the bible is the word of God, also believe that it is 100% accurate in all that it says. Where did that number come from? Islam does not teach that the bible is 100% accurate in all that it says (unless perhaps if the question in the stat specified 'original documents' before they were handled and copied); Judaism does not believe that the bible is 100% accurate in all that it says (considering the NT)... unless of course Messianic Jews count themselves as non-Christians. That might explain that number, but that is just a guess. *shrugs*
I'm not sure about what Hinduism teaches or Buddhism regarding the bible, or some of the less known religions, but for sure agnostics and atheists would not be counted among the 'non-Christians' who think the bible is the word of God and 100% accurate.
Gotta agree, and after taking a closer look at the survey the whole thing comes off as highly suspicious, particularly because of the scant description of its research protocols. That and its affiliation. LifeWay Research is the research division of LifeWay Christian Resources the publishing and distribution division of the Southern Baptist Convention and provider of church business services. So, so much for relying on any lack of bias, and presuming any professionalism regarding its protocols.tam wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 4:26 pm Peace to you.
[Replying to Miles in post #1]
People hold all sorts of different views, even if it means not accepting something that their particular denomination teaches (and perhaps some are simply aware that bible is NOT the Word of God; that Christ is the Word of God, as is even written: John 1:14-15; Rev 19:13). So I am not surprised at those numbers, but I would not have been surprised if they were higher either.
I was only a little surprised for the last number, lol. 19% of people who identify as non-Christians, who believe the bible is the word of God, also believe that it is 100% accurate in all that it says. Where did that number come from? Islam does not teach that the bible is 100% accurate in all that it says (unless perhaps if the question in the stat specified 'original documents' before they were handled and copied); Judaism does not believe that the bible is 100% accurate in all that it says (considering the NT)... unless of course Messianic Jews count themselves as non-Christians. That might explain that number, but that is just a guess. *shrugs*
I'm not sure about what Hinduism teaches or Buddhism regarding the bible, or some of the less known religions, but for sure agnostics and atheists would not be counted among the 'non-Christians' who think the bible is the word of God and 100% accurate.
But again.. people don't necessarily believe all their religion teaches (and there are so many schisms in all of them anyway).
Yes, as far as I can tell, I have no reason to disagree with those statistics. As much as the Bible and Christianity are touted by apologists, people do have brains. The Bible's writers were writing about God, and what they wrote need not be true about God. A piece of papyrus will stand every bit as still for an error as it will stand still for a fact. I think that even Christians understand this fact, and when they read stories that are simply outlandish, they are not quick to believe it all.Miles wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:23 pmAs a percentage of the 48% of Americans who believe the Bible is the word of god, this means that only 21% (about 1/5) of all Americans agree the Bible is 100% accurate in all that it teaches.
Boy, from the way Christianity is touted in the USA I would have figured the percentage would be much higher. How about you, does this seem about right? .
My approach is different from yours. I do often respect or at least consider what others have to say about any issue including the truthfulness of the Bible. They may know something I don't know. Besides, I want people to consider what I have to say, so the Golden Rule mandates that I treat others the same way.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:53 amSo you're saying follow what is gaining popularity? That's a very dangerous reason to change one's mind on anything.
What others think doesn't sway what I think about the Bible so the poll is useless to me.
In short the answer to your poll is, who cares? To those that do care about such polls, this explains a lot!
What you're saying here seems a bit circular. If the Bible isn't the word of God, then how can it substantiate that Christ is the word of God? Wouldn't the Bible need to be God's word to assure us something about Christ?tam wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 4:26 pmPeople hold all sorts of different views, even if it means not accepting something that their particular denomination teaches (and perhaps some are simply aware that bible is NOT the Word of God; that Christ is the Word of God, as is even written: John 1:14-15; Rev 19:13). So I am not surprised at those numbers, but I would not have been surprised if they were higher either.
I'm not saying Christ is the Word of God just because the Bible claims Him to be the Word of God. Bible or no bible, Christ is the Word of God. But for the some/many who believe the Bible is the Word of God, then it can be pointed out to them that a) the bible does not make that claim about itself, and b) the bible actually states that Christ is the Word of God.Paul of Tarsus wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:24 pmWhat you're saying here seems a bit circular. If the Bible isn't the word of God, then how can it substantiate that Christ is the word of God? Wouldn't the Bible need to be God's word to assure us something about Christ?tam wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 4:26 pmPeople hold all sorts of different views, even if it means not accepting something that their particular denomination teaches (and perhaps some are simply aware that bible is NOT the Word of God; that Christ is the Word of God, as is even written: John 1:14-15; Rev 19:13). So I am not surprised at those numbers, but I would not have been surprised if they were higher either.
Christ is also the Life, the Resurrection, the Light, the Way, the Truth, so I see no problem that He is also the Word (of God). God speaks to us through His Son, the Word of God.Also, to describe Christ as the word of God appears to be a category error. A man cannot be a word, so I assume that word is being used as a metaphor. What does word symbolize?
