The Lovely Bible - The Ethics and Morality

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The Lovely Bible - The Ethics and Morality

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The Bible is lovely with all its metaphors and other literary tricks blended with actual story as message to the Future for all of us to benefit from!

The Old Testament
So it starts as conviction that God has created the Universe and all in it.
Within all the twists and turns,
the Bible lays down The 10 Commandments.
With lots of life's lessons to be learned, poetic justice among them.

The New Testament
It begins with an agenda of creating Heaven on Earth, after all the formalities:
Matthew 6:9-13
9 "This, then, is how you should pray: " 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, 10 your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. 11 Give us today our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.' "
We are warned about the ill fate of Jesus in various ways as death on the torturous crosses and how Jesus defeats death itself. The 1000 Jesus who have met injustice and died by cruelty, but victorious still and gone to Heaven in all their brilliance of goodness.
The rest of the New Testament is about the aftermath and final best wishes to the Readers.

For discussion, now, why are people objecting so much to the Bible?
It starts in an evil World, trying to impart meaning and hope for a better future yet so much "howling" is created. I guess the World is still evil to some degree, having thrown off the worst of it, hopefully. I mean, the reincarnations, also of the worthy children, seems to be a badly hidden police game or Alfred Hitchcock movie. It can't be it. So why the outcry? Leave the religious alone? Complain about the meaning of life itself, perhaps?
Would the Atheists ever make the World a better place themselves "with their scientific reasoning"? Do ethics and morality have a biconditional relation with being religious? Does life require the fine touches of the religious? All the best!
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Re: The Lovely Bible - The Ethics and Morality

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1213 wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 3:44 pm
Paul of Tarsus wrote: Wed May 12, 2021 5:48 pm ...And it's easy enough to realize that the crusaders, the Inquisition, and the witch hunters knew well the passages you quoted about love--Jesus style.
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Unfortunately there seems to be no evidence for that.
If they weren't Christians, then why were they fighting to free Jerusalem from the infidel Muslims? From the Christian History Institute in their article 1095 Pope Urban II Launches the First Crusade:
...in 1095, in response to desperate appeals from Eastern Emperor Alexius Comnenus, the new pope, Urban II, preached a stirring sermon at Clermont:

“A horrible tale has gone forth,” he said. “An accursed race utterly alienated from God . . . has invaded the lands of the Christians and depopulated them by the sword, plundering, and fire.” Toward the end, he made his appeal: “Tear that land from the wicked race and subject it to yourselves.” The people were riled. They began shouting, “Deus vult! Deus vult!” ("God wills it!") Urban II made “Deus vult” the battle cry of the Crusades.
God wills it. The God that willed it was the same God whose son preached love. The world doesn't need that kind of love.

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Re: The Lovely Bible - The Ethics and Morality

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1213 wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 3:44 pm
brunumb wrote: Wed May 12, 2021 7:10 pm ...
But if the Bible can so easily feed into bad agenda, then the Bible is clearly not delivering the message it should. Inspired by an infallible god but read by fallible people, God should have anticipated the disconnect and made sure the correct message always got through.
No message goes through, if people refuse to hear or understand, when people are allowed to be free. And I think it is good that God has given freedom, unlike totalitarian leaders of this world would do.
So the Inquisition, the Crusaders, the Spanish who invaded the Americas, the witch burners, the slave owners etc. were all just refusing to hear and understand were they? People converting at the point of a sword surely have their God-given free will violated. All through history the Bible has been used to support such violence and abuse. The message could have been presented in such a way that those practices were unquestionably wrong and contrary to the wishes of God. As it is, the Bible was written by humans with their own agenda and God was just used as a useful prop. Chosen people indeed. It was very smart on their part to get in first on that one. Great tactic. The Christian God as created and described in the Bible is really no better than the totalitarian leaders you appear to abhor. If he was real then one would have to conclude that he is not too bright just based on the way he always seems to get thwarted by mere human beings.
George Orwell:: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.”
Voltaire: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
Gender ideology is anti-science, anti truth.

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