The Lovely Bible - The Ethics and Morality

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The Bible is lovely with all its metaphors and other literary tricks blended with actual story as message to the Future for all of us to benefit from!

The Old Testament
So it starts as conviction that God has created the Universe and all in it.
Within all the twists and turns,
the Bible lays down The 10 Commandments.
With lots of life's lessons to be learned, poetic justice among them.

The New Testament
It begins with an agenda of creating Heaven on Earth, after all the formalities:
Matthew 6:9-13

9 "This, then, is how you should pray: " 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, 10 your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. 11 Give us today our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.' "

We are warned about the ill fate of Jesus in various ways as death on the torturous crosses and how Jesus defeats death itself. The 1000 Jesus who have met injustice and died by cruelty, but victorious still and gone to Heaven in all their brilliance of goodness.
The rest of the New Testament is about the aftermath and final best wishes to the Readers.

For discussion, now, why are people objecting so much to the Bible?
It starts in an evil World, trying to impart meaning and hope for a better future yet so much "howling" is created. I guess the World is still evil to some degree, having thrown off the worst of it, hopefully. I mean, the reincarnations, also of the worthy children, seems to be a badly hidden police game or Alfred Hitchcock movie. It can't be it. So why the outcry? Leave the religious alone? Complain about the meaning of life itself, perhaps?
Would the Atheists ever make the World a better place themselves "with their scientific reasoning"? Do ethics and morality have a biconditional relation with being religious? Does life require the fine touches of the religious? All the best!

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For discussion, now, why are people objecting so much to the Bible?...

I think you have good questions. Because Bible teachings come basically to “love your neighbor” and “love your enemy”, I think it would be more reasonable for atheist to say to Christians why they don’t live accordingly, rather than try to make people to reject those ideas. Difficult to see any good reason why atheists seem to want people to reject those teachings.

[Miles]

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The Bible is lovely with all its metaphors and other literary tricks blended with actual story as message to the Future for all of us to benefit from!

I particularly like the part where god puts his stamp of approval on slavery. Giving people the right to own other human beings and to even pass them down to their heirs, just like they would a chamber pot. (Leviticus 25:44-46)


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[Tcg]

Because Bible teachings come basically to “love your neighbor” and “love your enemy”,

Anybody who has read Revelation knows that it does not in fact come down to these teachings.

I think it would be more reasonable for atheist to say to Christians why they don’t live accordingly, rather than try to make people to reject those ideas. Difficult to see any good reason why atheists seem to want people to reject those teachings.

As has been pointed out many, many times, atheists aren't the only ones who reject the bible. I've never seen a single atheist trying to persuade anyone to reject the concept of love. Disagreeing that the bible is the product of some unprovable supernatural being is not evidence of some sort of rebellion against decency.


Tcg

[Tcg]

The Old Testament
So it starts as conviction that God has created the Universe and all in it.
Within all the twists and turns,

The author of the creation story reveals no awareness of the solar system, much less of the universe. There is no mention of planets other than earth and when the earth is mentioned there is no awareness that it indeed is a planet.

This is but one reason to question the claims the bible makes.


Tcg

[Paul of Tarsus]

For discussion, now, why are people objecting so much to the Bible?
It starts in an evil World, trying to impart meaning and hope for a better future yet so much "howling" is created. I guess the World is still evil to some degree, having thrown off the worst of it, hopefully. I mean, the reincarnations, also of the worthy children, seems to be a badly hidden police game or Alfred Hitchcock movie. It can't be it. So why the outcry? Leave the religious alone? Complain about the meaning of life itself, perhaps?
Would the Atheists ever make the World a better place themselves "with their scientific reasoning"? Do ethics and morality have a biconditional relation with being religious? Does life require the fine touches of the religious? All the best!

Which of these seven questions is the question for debate? I assume the first one is. While many sincerely and with good reason object to the Bible for moral reasons, others seek to cast doubt on God's existence and smear Christianity by holding the Bible up as an evil book. If the Bible teaches wickedness, then God does not exist, and Christians are fools, or so the logic goes.

As far as atheists doing any better is concerned, they don't have a good track record to demonstrate it, and that's an understatement. In addition to the heinous acts of Stalin which were largely inspired by his hatred for religion, we have many influential atheists today who support the euthanizing of the disabled. Although I believe atheism may be a step in the right direction morally speaking if the ills of religious belief are left behind, in practice those ills are very often replaced with other ills that need no gods to inspire them. A person does not need to believe in any gods to be irrational and fanatical.

[Paul of Tarsus]

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For discussion, now, why are people objecting so much to the Bible?...

I think you have good questions. Because Bible teachings come basically to “love your neighbor” and “love your enemy”, I think it would be more reasonable for atheist to say to Christians why they don’t live accordingly, rather than try to make people to reject those ideas. Difficult to see any good reason why atheists seem to want people to reject those teachings.

Actually, many people do agree with some of the Bible's morality who don't believe in its God and never needed the Bible to know that it's best to live in harmony with others. Any decent person, including an atheist, understands the importance of valuing and respecting others. We also should not be quick to believe people are good merely because they speak of love. I think as many people have been hurt by those who preach love as those who don't. A few, scattered lovey-dovey Bible verses does not make up for the Bible's sanctification of violence toward unbelievers and the impact that sanctification of violence has had on history. Do you really think that the crusaders, the Inquisition, and the witch hunters knew nothing of the Bible passages speaking of love? What good did those passages do for them?

[Paul of Tarsus]

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The Bible is lovely with all its metaphors and other literary tricks blended with actual story as message to the Future for all of us to benefit from!

I particularly like the part where god puts his stamp of approval on slavery. Giving people the right to own other human beings and to even pass them down to their heirs, just like they would a chamber pot. (Leviticus 25:44-46).

Do you think atheists are immune to enslaving others? Stalin wasn't.

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[Replying to Paul of Tarsus in post #8]

Btw, Atheist Soviet Union never approved of the Human Rights (UDHR). I think they abstained from voting or walked out during the vote in the General Assembly of UN.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union, Soviet Union by Wikipedia. To the contrary, China has Buddhism and allows by and large for it.

There is currently zero nations which are guided by Atheism except North Korea perhaps and they are not doing particularly well.

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[Replying to Miles in post #3]

The Bible's version of maximally 6 years as slave was a big step upwards in terms of ethics and morality at the time it was written.
It doesn't say either that you could treat slaves any way you like. You had to treat them fairly, but still slaves of course.
The Mosaic laws are now obsolete so it's kind of funny how Atheists think that the Bible would suddenly create paradise on Earth, all outside context that they rarely refer to!

Btw, Atheist "scientific view" is not one view. Many times the scientific view is in conflict with other scientific views so you can basically end up with a type of Sam Harris Secular Humanism on one side and carnivore, mean to others, criminally inclined, human as primate on the other. Some scientists do not believe in a possible ethical and moral human being.