Praying for healing - your will be done

[nobspeople]

Your loved one is sick and dying. You pray for healing, ending the prayer with 'your will be done'.
Some would say praying for healing and then ending with 'your will be done' is hedging your bets - covering all the bases as it were. And they are likely right, based on that prayer alone.

For those who have done this, do you really want your loved one to be healed, or do you want God's will to be done?
Is the prayer for your benefit only and not the loved one, knowing God's will will be done anyway?
Or can prayer change God's will (God: Well, I was going to end Mable's life, but Gary and the family prayed so much I guess I'll let her live a bit longer)?

[1213]

How can it NOT be pointless? If God's will is going to be done, what is you asking God to do something else going to accomplish? Or what possible use is it to tell God to do what He was going to do anyway? Either way God is doing what He was going to do. ...

I think it I also about accepting God to do it. If I would not want it, maybe God would not do it.

[benchwarmer]

How can it NOT be pointless? If God's will is going to be done, what is you asking God to do something else going to accomplish? Or what possible use is it to tell God to do what He was going to do anyway? Either way God is doing what He was going to do. ...

I think it I also about accepting God to do it. If I would not want it, maybe God would not do it.

Are you now claiming that you can thwart God's original will? Why would God NOT do what He was originally planning (which we can only assume is perfect) if now you, a human, don't want Him to do it?

You are either:

1) Saying God's original plan was not perfect.
2) God is willing to use YOUR imperfect plan and no longer do His original perfect will. That leaves God NOT doing His will because you asked. Yet you want Him to do His will. See the problem?

[1213]

How can it NOT be pointless? If God's will is going to be done, what is you asking God to do something else going to accomplish? Or what possible use is it to tell God to do what He was going to do anyway? Either way God is doing what He was going to do. ...

I think it I also about accepting God to do it. If I would not want it, maybe God would not do it.

Are you now claiming that you can thwart God's original will? Why would God NOT do what He was originally planning (which we can only assume is perfect) if now you, a human, don't want Him to do it?
...

I meant more like; God wants to help anyone who asks it. If you don’t ask and want God’s help, you can be alone, without it, but if you want and ask it, you can get it.

[nobspeople]

How can it NOT be pointless? If God's will is going to be done, what is you asking God to do something else going to accomplish? Or what possible use is it to tell God to do what He was going to do anyway? Either way God is doing what He was going to do. ...

I think it I also about accepting God to do it. If I would not want it, maybe God would not do it.

Are you now claiming that you can thwart God's original will? Why would God NOT do what He was originally planning (which we can only assume is perfect) if now you, a human, don't want Him to do it?

You are either:

1) Saying God's original plan was not perfect.
2) God is willing to use YOUR imperfect plan and no longer do His original perfect will. That leaves God NOT doing His will because you asked. Yet you want Him to do His will. See the problem?

I once heard a preacher say, if enough people pray, they could, indeed, change God's will. His congregation seemed to agree.

[Tcg]

I once heard a preacher say, if enough people pray, they could, indeed, change God's will. His congregation seemed to agree.

That's a rather bizarre claim. If mere humans can bend God's will one has to wonder why God would deserve the title of "God." If this scenario were true, humans would deserve the title "God." What we think of as God would be nothing more than the slave to human's desires.


Tcg

[nobspeople]

I once heard a preacher say, if enough people pray, they could, indeed, change God's will. His congregation seemed to agree.

That's a rather bizarre claim. If mere humans can bend God's will one has to wonder why God would deserve the title of "God." If this scenario were true, humans would deserve the title "God." What we think of as God would be nothing more than the slave to human's desires.


Tcg

While I was in the congregation, I wasn't one whom agreed with him.
I think I said something like

[Tcg]

I once heard a preacher say, if enough people pray, they could, indeed, change God's will. His congregation seemed to agree.

That's a rather bizarre claim. If mere humans can bend God's will one has to wonder why God would deserve the title of "God." If this scenario were true, humans would deserve the title "God." What we think of as God would be nothing more than the slave to human's desires.


Tcg

While I was in the congregation, I wasn't one whom agreed with him.
I think I said something like

That would be the appropriate response. Trying to keep all the aspects of Christian theology in line can be an impossible task. When trying to explain a specific aspect, one can lose track of how that impacts others.


Tcg

[1213]

I once heard a preacher say, if enough people pray, they could, indeed, change God's will. His congregation seemed to agree.

That's a rather bizarre claim. If mere humans can bend God's will one has to wonder why God would deserve the title of "God." ...

I think it means basically for example, God has decided to do something, because people are evil. Now, if those evil people change their mind, repent and stop being evil, God can change His mind on what He was going to do. And in this case, I think, perhaps it would be better to says, God’s mind has not changed, the situation has and therefore also what God was going to do, has changed. I believe God’s will is always for example that righteous will live eternally, and unrighteous not. The decision is the same always, but it is possible that people change and so also the outcome can change.

[Tcg]

I once heard a preacher say, if enough people pray, they could, indeed, change God's will. His congregation seemed to agree.

That's a rather bizarre claim. If mere humans can bend God's will one has to wonder why God would deserve the title of "God." ...

I think it means basically for example, God has decided to do something, because people are evil. Now, if those evil people change their mind, repent and stop being evil, God can change His mind on what He was going to do. And in this case, I think, perhaps it would be better to says, God’s mind has not changed, the situation has and therefore also what God was going to do, has changed. I believe God’s will is always for example that righteous will live eternally, and unrighteous not. The decision is the same always, but it is possible that people change and so also the outcome can change.

This doesn't change the fact that if this were the case, people would be controlling God. God would be the servant of humans.


Tcg

[1213]

This doesn't change the fact that if this were the case, people would be controlling God. God would be the servant of humans.

Sorry, I disagree with that, because God does what ever He does, because He wants it and thinks it is good, not because He is forced to obey.