Fact: All life is composed of atoms.We_Are_VENOM wrote: No scientific experiment has EVER proved that life can arise from nonliving material.
For debate:
Are atoms alive prior to their clumping together in the creation of life?
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Fact: All life is composed of atoms.We_Are_VENOM wrote: No scientific experiment has EVER proved that life can arise from nonliving material.
Wholeheartedly agree, given any remotely similar definition of life. So many anti-evolutionists seem to want to go straight from a nonliving collection of molecules to humans that can talk, without any consideration of the gigantic gap (in both time and evolutionary development) between the first population of organisms that fit a basic description of "life" and something as complex as a mammal (or even a sponge). Much easier to just ignore scientific progress and the complicated process of digging out all the pesky details, and stick to ancient stories where the narrative is cleanly laid out in advance and it is only necessary to believe it on pure faith.So in answer to the question, "Are atoms alive prior to their clumping together in the creation of life?" The answer is, No, they are not!
At the most fundamental level of those basic characteristics, could some stars in the universe be perceived as alive?Miles wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:34 pm .
Might be helpful to have a definition of "life" at hand.
Life Definition
noun, plural: lives
(1) A distinctive characteristic of a living organism from dead organism or non-living thing, as specifically distinguished by the capacity to grow, metabolize, respond (to stimuli), adapt, and reproduce.
Basic Characteristics of a Living Thing
Organization. Living things are have an organized structure to perform a specific function. In particular, a living thing is made up of a single or a group of cell(s). A cell is the basic structural and functional unit of any organism.
Homeostasis. A life form would have an ability to keep up its existence, for instance, by regulating its internal environment to keep up a constant or favourable state.
Metabolism. A living thing would be capable of converting energy from chemicals into cellular components through anabolic reactions. It would also be capable of decomposing organic matter through catabolism.
Growth. A living thing grows, i.e. in size or in number.
Response. An organism has an ability to respond to stimuli or to its environment, usually through a series of metabolic reactions.
Reproduction. One of the hallmarks of life is the ability to reproduce, i.e. producing a new of its kind.
Adaptation. An organism is capable of changing through time to adapt to its environment.
source: biologyonline
So in answer to the question, "Are atoms alive prior to their clumping together in the creation of life?" The answer is, No, they are not!
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Not from what I've seen (though the caveat needs to be what is 'life').JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:22 pm From Post 93 here.
Fact: All life is composed of atoms.We_Are_VENOM wrote: No scientific experiment has EVER proved that life can arise from nonliving material.
For debate:
Are atoms alive prior to their clumping together in the creation of life?
I suppose, in the loosest sense of "alive." Like " The hills are alive with the sound of music. "bluegreenearth wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:57 am
At the most fundamental level of those basic characteristics, could some stars in the universe be perceived as alive?
This is beginning to sound too much like a high school astronomy quiz to bother with.Could some stars be perceived organized structures that perform the specific functions of emitting light and heat?
Could some stars be perceived as keeping up their existence by fusing lighter elements into heavier elements within their internal environment to keep up a constant or favorable state?
Could some stars be perceived as converting energy from chemicals through various internal physical reactions that produce waste products in the form of heavier elements?
Could some stars be perceived as having grown from smaller materials within a nebula?
Could some stars be perceived as having an ability to respond to stimuli such as gravity from other massive objects in their environment through a series of physical reactions such as a change in their rotation or orbit?
Could some stars be perceived as having an ability to reproduce through the supernova process where gravity acts on the resulting nebula to produce a new star and possibly a few orbiting planets?
Could some stars be perceived as capable of adapting through time by expanding themselves to the red giant phase or shrinking themselves down to the black hole phase in order to accommodate a change in the physical reactions occurring in their internal environment?