There's a wise old saying that you don't really know people when they are weak but when they are strong. Strong people are more likely to impose their wills on weaker people and are more likely to make their true feelings known to others.
Does this bit of wisdom apply to Christianity? I think we can find the answer in the history books. When Christianity was strong and ruled much of the known world, it often used deadly force to make people act according to the dictates of church leaders and Christian rulers. Perhaps the most infamous example of this deadly force was the Inquisition which tortured and executed alleged heretics and witches as acts of faith in Christ. Christians at that time made no secret that Jesus meant business and that all who opposed him must be destroyed.
Of course, these acts and the Inquisition itself receded as secularism gained enough power to oppose the church. However, Christianity maintained much of its power and influence and has done so to this day. The ideas of a wrathful God, punishment of sinners, and a wily Devil are still with us. In fact, as modern-day Christian prophets like Hal Lindsey predicted the end of the world in the 1970s and 1980s, Christians became almost obsessed with the idea of Satan preparing to go to war with God in the Battle of Armageddon. Satan was showing up everywhere including in New Age books, bar codes, and even Procter & Gamble logos!
But perhaps the main target of this "Satanic panic" was rock acts. Christians saw them as heralds of the Devil and his rule over the earth. Bands like Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin were allegedly "backwards masking" subliminal Satanic messages to inspire youth to worship the Devil.
So whatever happened to this panic over Satan? Broadly speaking, secular society rose up and defeated the effort of many Christians to impose their beliefs on society. Much of what those Christians were saying was exposed as not only untrue but as harming innocent people. As I see it, the attempt to resurrect the Inquisition failed because Christianity no longer had the power to impose its deadly will.
So long live rock and roll!
The Inquisition, The Satanic Panic, and Rock & Roll
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Re: The Inquisition, The Satanic Panic, and Rock & Roll
Post #2I think Christianity has finally gotten smarter. Instead of killing and using brute force only, they're using culture and laws to implement their control. From Creationism and ID to controlling what going in public school books to the idea of 'well you can't disprove my views so they're just as valid as yours' that we see even on this very site, Christianity has finally 'wised up'.Paul of Tarsus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:43 pm There's a wise old saying that you don't really know people when they are weak but when they are strong. Strong people are more likely to impose their wills on weaker people and are more likely to make their true feelings known to others.
Does this bit of wisdom apply to Christianity? I think we can find the answer in the history books. When Christianity was strong and ruled much of the known world, it often used deadly force to make people act according to the dictates of church leaders and Christian rulers. Perhaps the most infamous example of this deadly force was the Inquisition which tortured and executed alleged heretics and witches as acts of faith in Christ. Christians at that time made no secret that Jesus meant business and that all who opposed him must be destroyed.
Of course, these acts and the Inquisition itself receded as secularism gained enough power to oppose the church. However, Christianity maintained much of its power and influence and has done so to this day. The ideas of a wrathful God, punishment of sinners, and a wily Devil are still with us. In fact, as modern-day Christian prophets like Hal Lindsey predicted the end of the world in the 1970s and 1980s, Christians became almost obsessed with the idea of Satan preparing to go to war with God in the Battle of Armageddon. Satan was showing up everywhere including in New Age books, bar codes, and even Procter & Gamble logos!
But perhaps the main target of this "Satanic panic" was rock acts. Christians saw them as heralds of the Devil and his rule over the earth. Bands like Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin were allegedly "backwards masking" subliminal Satanic messages to inspire youth to worship the Devil.
So whatever happened to this panic over Satan? Broadly speaking, secular society rose up and defeated the effort of many Christians to impose their beliefs on society. Much of what those Christians were saying was exposed as not only untrue but as harming innocent people. As I see it, the attempt to resurrect the Inquisition failed because Christianity no longer had the power to impose its deadly will.
So long live rock and roll!
Now, it's time for the public to wise up and meet Christianity's lies and deceit as fervently as Christianity pushed their views on the public.
Unfortunately, too many people are concerned with the latest Tik-Tok trend than reality. Plus, society seems to think it's 'cool' to latch on to stupid conspiracy concepts and, when Christianity sees this, they tag in for an assist.
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Re: The Inquisition, The Satanic Panic, and Rock & Roll
Post #3This is just too funny. None of those who made these claims could ever explain how the brain could understand these claimed messages given that they were indeed in reverse. I do remember a scene from the early eighties where I watched a bunch of "righteous Christian youth" spending a good part of their evening spinning records backwards to hear these so-called satanic messages. Hilarious!Paul of Tarsus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:43 pm Bands like Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin were allegedly "backwards masking" subliminal Satanic messages to inspire youth to worship the Devil.
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Post #4If Christianity's current thrust to gain power by imposing their beliefs using culture and law succeeds, do you think we'll see Christianity for what it really is? Did the Satanic panic of the 1980s fail because as you say the public saw a need to wise up? History does not necessarily repeat itself, but it can repeat itself if we are complacent wasting our time with Tok-Tok trends.nobspeople wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:07 pmI think Christianity has finally gotten smarter. Instead of killing and using brute force only, they're using culture and laws to implement their control. From Creationism and ID to controlling what going in public school books to the idea of 'well you can't disprove my views so they're just as valid as yours' that we see even on this very site, Christianity has finally 'wised up'.
Now, it's time for the public to wise up and meet Christianity's lies and deceit as fervently as Christianity pushed their views on the public.
Unfortunately, too many people are concerned with the latest Tik-Tok trend than reality. Plus, society seems to think it's 'cool' to latch on to stupid conspiracy concepts and, when Christianity sees this, they tag in for an assist.
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Post #51) Some of us do today, but unless we stand up to it, it will continue to squash non-believers beneath it's calloused thumb. Society in the USA tends to not like to have people upset and 'causing a scene'. Christians have been complaining and screaming since day 1 about being oppressed when, at least in some time throughout history, they've been the oppressors. Christianity loves to be the victim, complain and feel superior to others.Paul of Tarsus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:27 pmIf Christianity's current thrust to gain power by imposing their beliefs using culture and law succeeds,nobspeople wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:07 pmI think Christianity has finally gotten smarter. Instead of killing and using brute force only, they're using culture and laws to implement their control. From Creationism and ID to controlling what going in public school books to the idea of 'well you can't disprove my views so they're just as valid as yours' that we see even on this very site, Christianity has finally 'wised up'.
Now, it's time for the public to wise up and meet Christianity's lies and deceit as fervently as Christianity pushed their views on the public.
Unfortunately, too many people are concerned with the latest Tik-Tok trend than reality. Plus, society seems to think it's 'cool' to latch on to stupid conspiracy concepts and, when Christianity sees this, they tag in for an assist.
1)do you think we'll see Christianity for what it really is?
2)Did the Satanic panic of the 1980s fail because as you say the public saw a need to wise up?
3)History does not necessarily repeat itself, but it can repeat itself if we are complacent wasting our time with Tok-Tok trends.
2) I'm not sure it failed at all, as I don't know what its 'end game' was. It caused panic amongst a few and allow Christianity to see what they can do with a stupid society. If that was its desire intent, then it succeeded. I think, by in large, today's society is a lot 'more dumber' than it was then, when it comes to common sense, logic and changing definitions to 'feel good'.
3) Absolutely
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Post #6I had friends destroy their albums and tapes due to it. It was a catch 22 as I wasn't too keen on doing that for that reason but because the music was terrible even when played the correct directionTcg wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:23 pmThis is just too funny. None of those who made these claims could ever explain how the brain could understand these claimed messages given that they were indeed in reverse. I do remember a scene from the early eighties where I watched a bunch of "righteous Christian youth" spending a good part of their evening spinning records backwards to hear these so-called satanic messages. Hilarious!Paul of Tarsus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:43 pm Bands like Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin were allegedly "backwards masking" subliminal Satanic messages to inspire youth to worship the Devil.
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Post #7There is that too. Of course the Christian Rock that replaced this music was even worse at least for the most part. There were exceptions. I went to a Christian Rock festival in the early 80s where the Reverend Al Green played. He and his band showed us what class was. Oh, and they played their music forwardly.nobspeople wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:41 pmI had friends destroy their albums and tapes due to it. It was a catch 22 as I wasn't too keen on doing that for that reason but because the music was terrible even when played the correct directionTcg wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:23 pmThis is just too funny. None of those who made these claims could ever explain how the brain could understand these claimed messages given that they were indeed in reverse. I do remember a scene from the early eighties where I watched a bunch of "righteous Christian youth" spending a good part of their evening spinning records backwards to hear these so-called satanic messages. Hilarious!Paul of Tarsus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:43 pm Bands like Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin were allegedly "backwards masking" subliminal Satanic messages to inspire youth to worship the Devil.
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Post #8In at least the original pressing of 'The Wall', in the song 'Empty Spaces', if spun backwards you can hear, "Congratulations, you have just discovered the secret message."Tcg wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:23 pmThis is just too funny. None of those who made these claims could ever explain how the brain could understand these claimed messages given that they were indeed in reverse. I do remember a scene from the early eighties where I watched a bunch of "righteous Christian youth" spending a good part of their evening spinning records backwards to hear these so-called satanic messages. Hilarious!Paul of Tarsus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:43 pm Bands like Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin were allegedly "backwards masking" subliminal Satanic messages to inspire youth to worship the Devil.
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Post #9Sure, but no one was sent to hell over it.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:36 pmIn at least the original pressing of 'The Wall', in the song 'Empty Spaces', if spun backwards you can hear, "Congratulations, you have just discovered the secret message."Tcg wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:23 pmThis is just too funny. None of those who made these claims could ever explain how the brain could understand these claimed messages given that they were indeed in reverse. I do remember a scene from the early eighties where I watched a bunch of "righteous Christian youth" spending a good part of their evening spinning records backwards to hear these so-called satanic messages. Hilarious!Paul of Tarsus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:43 pm Bands like Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin were allegedly "backwards masking" subliminal Satanic messages to inspire youth to worship the Devil.
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Post #10Played backwards, "Jesus loves you" sounds like "we smell sausage."Tcg wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:23 pmThis is just too funny. None of those who made these claims could ever explain how the brain could understand these claimed messages given that they were indeed in reverse. I do remember a scene from the early eighties where I watched a bunch of "righteous Christian youth" spending a good part of their evening spinning records backwards to hear these so-called satanic messages. Hilarious!
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