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Wootah can prove Hell (exists?)

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From Post 29 here:
Wootah wrote: We can prove hell anytime you want to. You go ahead and make the thread.
For debate:

Please offer some means to confirm Hell exists.

Bonus points for offering means to confirm folks (or their spirits) go there .

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Hell is separation from God.

Most people exist in the state of hell now. Just like we exist in the state of happiness, sadness and the continuum (What I doubt non-Christians ever experience is joy).

We send people to hell all the time when we say: Go to hell. We mean it on some level. We want them gone to a state of punishment. Thank God, God isn't one of us.

When you die and you deny Jesus as Lord you are telling God to go to hell and you are choosing to live eternity without God. You will be in hell and this time you will know it.

The reason you will know it is that the full majesty of God is undeniably known to you and you will know what you have lost. The Good will have departed from you because you didn't want it, you will know it exists and cannot get it. You will be in hell.
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Wootah wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 5:05 pm Hell is separation from God.

Most people exist in the state of hell now. Just like we exist in the state of happiness, sadness and the continuum (What I doubt non-Christians ever experience is joy).

We send people to hell all the time when we say: Go to hell. We mean it on some level. We want them gone to a state of punishment. Thank God, God isn't one of us.

When you die and you deny Jesus as Lord you are telling God to go to hell and you are choosing to live eternity without God. You will be in hell and this time you will know it.

The reason you will know it is that the full majesty of God is undeniably known to you and you will know what you have lost. The Good will have departed from you because you didn't want it, you will know it exists and cannot get it. You will be in hell.
Then, for there to be a hell, you have to show that there is something there to be separated from. Else, it is a term without meaning, and therefore can not be proved. So, can you show there is a God to be separated from>
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Couple tag edits...
Wootah wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 5:05 pm Hell is separation from God.
Woah, woah, woah, were have you established this God exists? Certainly nowhere I'm aware of.

Your trying to support your OP claim with another unevidenced claim doesn't bose well for the OP claim, but let's see...
Most people exist in the state of hell now.
2nd unsupported claim.
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(What I doubt non-Christians ever experience is joy).
Please explain how this supports your OP contention.

I actually gain much, much pleasure in showing how Christians are incapable of showing their claims are truth, so right there's reason enough to put a smile on this non-Christian's face.
We send people to hell all the time when we say: Go to hell. We mean it on some level. We want them gone to a state of punishment. Thank God, God isn't one of us.
Go to Hell God.

There, I just sent him to Hell. Poor thing. Without supper too!

Again, please explain how this shows your OP claim to be truth.
When you die and you deny Jesus as Lord you are telling God to go to hell and you are choosing to live eternity without God.
Please explain how this shows your OP claim is truth.

You can make assertions all day long, where is the truth in your assertions?
You will be in hell and this time you will know it.
3rd unsupported claim - "you'll be in hell".

4th unsupported claim - "and you'll know it".

Have you ever engaged in a debate outside of church?
The reason you will know it is that the full majesty of God is undeniably known to you and you will know what you have lost.
5th unsupported claim.

Where have you show the God you claimed in your unsupported claim number 1 that he exists, and has the quality of "majesty"?
The Good will have departed from you because you didn't want it, you will know it exists and cannot get it. You will be in hell.
Ah yes, more threats with not the first bit of confirmable evidence whatsoever.

That was easy, wasn't it boys and girls :wave:

This claimant can no more show his claims are truth than I can show I'm Teddy Roosevelt.

Claimant can't do anything but make unsopported claims and threats based on a beleif[/ b] In a God he can't even show exists, claims has a "majesty" he can't show he does, in order to so sadly try to support his OP claim of there being a Hell he can't show exists.


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Goat wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 5:39 pm Then, for there to be a hell, you have to show that there is something there to be separated from. Else, it is a term without meaning, and therefore can not be proved. So, can you show there is a God to be separated from>
God is a person. There are people. You cannot see the vast majority of people alive or dead now but you know they exist.

Separating from others and living in hell is quite a common human trait.
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[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #4]

God is a person. There are people. You cannot see the vast majority of people alive or dead now but you know they exist. Do you need me to establish God further or do you accept people exist?
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Wootah wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 7:23 pm God is a person.
Jumping in here ahead of JoeyKnothead, but that looks just like yet another unsupported assertion.
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brunumb wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 8:05 pm
Wootah wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 7:23 pm God is a person.
Jumping in here ahead of JoeyKnothead, but that looks just like yet another unsupported assertion.
Saved me some typing. Much obliged.
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Wootah wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 7:23 pm
Goat wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 5:39 pm Then, for there to be a hell, you have to show that there is something there to be separated from. Else, it is a term without meaning, and therefore can not be proved. So, can you show there is a God to be separated from>
God is a person. There are people. You cannot see the vast majority of people alive or dead now but you know they exist.

Separating from others and living in hell is quite a common human trait.
How is God a person? How does defining God as a person show that person exists? I mean, I can define Harry Potter as a person, but that does not mean Harry Potter exists.
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Wootah wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 5:05 pm (What I doubt non-Christians ever experience is joy).
You shouldn't. I experience joy quite regularly and I'm a non-Christian and I experience way more than when I was a Christian.


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