bjs1 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:32 pmThe first is authorship. There is a strong argument that at least three of the four canonical gospels were written by the men whose names they bear, even though the books themselves never claim specific authors.
Since I'd argue that the evidence is that none of them were written by their traditional authors, how much do you think it would affect the historical reliability if none of the Gospels were written by the traditional authors?
bjs1 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:32 pmThe Gospel of James, on the other hand, was never widely accepted as true when it was written and then later it was outright condemned as false.
That's not entirely accurate. From
Apocryphal Gospels: A Very Short Introduction by Paul Foster:
It is sometimes suggested that a fundamental difference between canonical and non-canonical gospels is that whereas the former enjoyed widespread circulation throughout the early Church, the latter were read only in small isolationist conventicles that were themselves representative of aberrant forms of Christianity. Not only is such an understanding historically anachronistic, retrojecting the 4th-century structure of a dominant orthodoxy into the 2nd century, when there were multiple expressions of Christianity struggling to define beliefs, but it is just plain wrong in representing the use of at least some of the non-canonical gospels as being highly limited. The Protevangelium of James was a particularly widely read document in many branches of Christianity. Based on the evidence of surviving manuscripts, the wide circulation of this document is amply attested. To date, more than 140 Greek manuscripts have been catalogued. The text is also witnessed in numerous translational versions, including Sahidic, Coptic, Syriac, Armenian, Georgian, Ethiopic, Slavonic, and Arabic. In fact, the Arabic text may have influenced Qur’anic and later Islamic understandings of the place of Mary in the Christian tradition.
Aside from that, it was at least accepted well enough to have been the likely source of the doctrines of the Catholic and Orthodox churches that Mary's parents were named Joachim and Anna and that she was a perpetual virgin. If it wasn't the source of those doctrines, then it at least shares the traditions that later became official doctrine.
Do you think that any of the extrabiblical traditions in the Gospel of James were based on historical fact?
When it was condemned in the fifth century, it was for doctrinal reasons, not independent concerns about authenticity. From
Apocryphal Gospels:
As certain sections of the Church became fixated on virginity as a spiritual discipline and a purer state of being, not only was it necessary to present Mary as a perpetual virgin – a key concern of the Protevangelium – but the perpetual virginity of Joseph was also asserted. Since the storyline of the Protevangelium presented Joseph as an elderly widower with surviving children, this text became highly problematic in the Latin Church. However, within the orthodox tradition the perpetual virginity of Joseph did not feature as a doctrinal concern. Consequently, the text circulated widely and shaped orthodox beliefs, as is attested by the wealth of surviving manuscripts.
How much of your skepticism is based on its lack of popularity?
bjs1 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:32 pmMy third reason is internal consistency. If you agree with the canonical gospels or not, it is clear that each individual gospel tells its own consistent story. The Gospel of James does not. For example, in chapter 18 Joseph suddenly becomes the narrator of the Gospel of James. This kind of internal inconsistency is a serious strike against the reliability of the document.
The vision of Joseph isn't out of place in the narrative and even if the narrator is different, it fits the chronological order of the story. This is speculative, but if we assume for a moment that James
did write it, do you think it's unreasonable to think that this was a story told by Joseph of this vision to James and then James recounted the story verbatim in Joseph's voice?