Hell is love

[Wootah]

The existence of hell is one of the best indications that God is loving.

His willingness to love his children by keeping them separate from the Devil's children demonstrates that love.

The eternity of hell is explained to my mind by the fact God is a God of life. We were created to live forever. Many other religions believe their God has the right to destroy even his children. But what security is there in that?

We all practise hell all the time. Aren't there people that you don't like or don't want to associate with? Don't we all cast people out of our lives?

Would you ever let a paedophile near your child? If yes then you don't love your child. If no then you are loving and you practise hell.

A Christian or any person arguing against hell is no different to a criminal arguing against prison.

Rebuttals?

[Wootah]

[Replying to tam in post #40]

Tam, if you want to support annihilation - you are still back explaining how God told Adam and Eve they would die and they didn't.

Gensis 2:15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

[tam]

[Replying to Wootah in post #42]

Adam and Eve did not die the 'second death' (the lake of fire). No one has died that death as of yet.

You're talking about something completely different from the second death when you talk about Adam and Eve dying.


Peace again to you.

[Wootah]

[Replying to tam in post #43]

Hardly common knowledge at the time of Adam and Eve.

[tam]

[Replying to Wootah in post #44]

What difference does that make?

[JoeyKnothead]

If death means annihilation then what happened in Genesis? Hint: They didn't die.

I challenge you to show there was anybody extant during the alleged time of "Genesis".

And remember, the bible is not considered authoritative in this section of the site.

They were dead in their sins but alive and conscious. Like hell will be.

Are you claiming such to be factual, or is this just more of the pretending we gotta do just to have a debate with Christians?

If you claim such to be factual, I challenge you to show you speak truth, but remember, the bible ain't considered authoritative in this section of the site.

Death is better viewed as separated from God. Non-Christians are dead people walking.

Now, if only we had some means of confirming God exists, that we might ever not be separated.


Instead, we get another typical Christian insult against all who don't buy into their fairy tale!

[tam]

[Replying to Wootah in post #44]

Just to clarify, when I asked above, 'what difference would that make', I wasn't asking in a mean way or anything like that. I just don't understand your thinking on this. So the question is genuine.



Peace again!

[Wootah]

[Replying to tam in post #47]

It means you have evidence from the beginning that death was not annihilation. In fact, it seems like death is more like reaping what we sow.

[tam]

[Replying to tam in post #47]

It means you have evidence from the beginning that death was not annihilation. In fact, it seems like death is more like reaping what we sow.

There is more than one death. You are mixing them up. The first death is not annihilation. No one has claimed otherwise.


The second death is where annihilation comes into play (see Rev 20:11-15). Neither Adam nor Eve experienced the second death (annihilation). That hasn't happened for anyone yet. The second death comes after the second resurrection (the resurrection of the dead; people who have physically died). At the resurrection of the dead, some receive a resurrection to life, and some receive a resurrection to judgment and the second death (the lake of fire; destruction; annihilation).




Peace again to you.

[Wootah]

[Replying to tam in post #49]

Hi Tam - please remind me. After we die. Do we exist in some form (can think, reason) according to you or do you think you are 'annihilated' until the resurrection?

[tam]

Peace to you Wootah,

[Replying to tam in post #49]

Hi Tam - please remind me. After we die. Do we exist in some form (can think, reason) according to you or do you think you are 'annihilated' until the resurrection?

We still exist after we die (the first death). We are 'asleep', conscious of nothing (either in sheol/hades/the world of the dead - or- if one is in Christ, then 'under the altar')

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There can be no resurrection after annihilation. Annihilation is utter destruction (body and 'soul'). There is nothing left of the person to resurrect. Hence, the second death is eternal.



Hope that helps clear some things up in our exchange.

Peace again.