Athetotheist wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:22 pm
TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:11 pm
Athetotheist wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 4:26 pm
TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:30 pm'T
he underlying source of all else which exists..' well, allright. Physics, we might say.
What's the underlying source of physics?
TRANSPONDER wrote:There's a thread on 'Infinite Regression' which (broadly) covers the topic of cosmic origins.
This isn't about regression; it's about
reduction.
If I get your drift correctly, yes, perhaps; reducing the term 'God' to specific (and often different) ideas of what that means. As I say, if the person proposing God says what they mean by it when they make their claim that it exists, the others will know the claim they are being asked to assess. This avoids a lot of debate before the propose of the claim says: 'That isn't what i meant by 'God'.
So, what's the underlying source of physics?
Now you're asking
I am not a physicist nor am I assiduously following the latest thought in physics, cosmology or quantum study, and the matter is still speculative anyway. This is bound up with the alternative to an eternal God - a pre -universal 'stuff' that dd not need to be created.
Now the experiments I heard of seemed to hint an a potential inherent energy in nothingness that does not require creation. It is inherent. (I believe Hawking and Krauss and others called it 'potential') And matter, so physicists seem to e saying now, is energy doing stuff, or the way I described it on my previous board was 'energy reacting to other packets of energy in taking up position relative to the other packet and acting like there was something there. In other words, matter emerges from energy (that does not need creation) doing things.
And the doing of it works according to laws of physics, which are also inherent. Which is to say, what works, works and what doesn't vanishes. A kind of Chemical evolution, one might say.
So the way it seems to be is: Physics is based on the innate potential of potential matter. It is there without needing to be created.Something from nothing, in fact.
If I am quite wrong in that and letting my imagination run away with me, I can only say 'We don't know', but 'Don't know' does NOT mean that 'God' is the default hypothesis. And even if it was, Which god are we talking about?
As I say, Cosmic origins do not help religious claims, though Theists think they do.