TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:03 pm
Though now I come to think of it the 8,000 BC claim seems a lot. But it's before your Babel -tower date anyway.
I'm not adamant on any dates that are ancient. Nobody really knows the exact time when something happened thousands of years ago for any event. I'm just quoting what the sources say. But, I will say I believe languages originate from a single source on the order of thousands of years ago.
I note that you don't have any problem with relying on the hope of finding of supportive evidence eventually but seriously
If archeological evidence is found later, that'd be great. But lack of any archeological evidence now does not disprove the idea.
you think you are going to find a tower of Babel foundation predating Sumer and the Egyptian first dynasty?
It's entirely possible it could be found later.
Prior to mid-nineteenth century, there wasn't even any archaeological evidence for the Assyrian and Babylonian empires. Yet, eventually, archaeology confirmed the Biblical accounts of these empires. Likewise, it could happen again to confirm other accounts in the Bible.
"Prior to the mid-nineteenth century, almost everything that was known of ancient Assyria and Babylonia derived from textual descriptions in non-Mesopotamian sources, principally the Bible and ancient Greek histories and geographies. Arabic, Persian, and European historical traditions on ancient Mesopotamia all relied on these texts."
Isn't going to happen,get over it.
Repeatedly telling me to "get over it" is not a valid argument. Instead, you'll need to present evidence that supports your argument in debate.
Despite superficial resemblance it is nothing to do with ziggurats.
"The design of Egyptian pyramids, especially the stepped designs of the oldest pyramids (Pyramid of Zoser at Saqqara, 2600 BCE), may have been an evolution from the ziggurats built in Mesopotamia."
If ziggurats predated pyramids and they were also in the area, it's reasonable ziggurats had an influence on the development of Egyptian pyramids.
Nor are the raised Temples of the Maya which are of A.D date anyway. These are nice pictures but do hot help (rather hinder) you case for a tower of Babel which is really shown a myth already.
It could all be a coincidence that cultures around the world independently built ziggurat-like structures. But, as you have more of these seeming coincidences, it becomes less likely they all happen by chance.
So far, I've presented two things that happen to have similarities across cultures worldwide - a global flood and ziggurats. I'll be presenting more later.
I suggest you give up Genesis literalism and accept that it is a book of Myth.
Repeatedly suggesting me to give up my position is also not a valid argument.
I suggest you give up believing these myths and polemics and trying to make them work by fiddling the evidence.
Ditto. Please present evidence and valid arguments to show languages all originated independently.
Well, if you accept that date of 3400 to 3200 BCE for Egyptian glyphs, it immediately says Mesopotamian writing existed before that at 8000 BCE.
So what? It still means that Egyptian is known to exist before your (claimed) date of this (claimed) tower which you can't show and seems (like Ark -sized shipbuilding) to be long before any such buildings were known.
I'm just pointing out your source disproves the claim that Egyptian predates other writings. I'm not saying I agree with the dating of your source. And you don't appear to agree with its dating either.
Only if you ignore or deny the evidence which not only shows the Babel story for the divergence of language does not work, just as the strata evidence shows that your Flood -model does not work, and the surrender before the demand for surrender does not work, but the evidence of the diversification of modern languages is the credible explanation, just as deep time tectonic creep (shown in modern research) is the better explanation and a surrender after the demand for surrender (as the Assyrians say) makes more sense than the Biblical polemic spin of God smiting anyone. I actually have the extra -Biblical evidence; you don't.
So far, I've presented evidence of timing of first written languages, commonality of global flood myths, and ziggurat-like structures across the world. What specific evidence have you presented that support languages originated independently?