It's been said god can do anything. It's also been said god can do anything but what god can't do (examples given to me included: forcing people to do anything, break existing rules of nature to name a couple).
Simple question:
Can god do anything?
Why or why not?
Another way to ask the same question, is:
Does god limit its abilities?
Can god do anything?
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Re: Can god do anything?
Post #71[Replying to William in post #70]
Let's say 100 people are 'seeking' and 10 people 'find it'. That either means one group is lying in some form or fashion or it's true.
If it's true, does this mean 90% weren't looking hard enough? Not in the right places? Weren't privileged enough to have the 'truth' given to them? That's not something that makes sense to me - I can't buy that.
I'd be far more likely to believe that the 10% are lying or found what they consider to be right/correct, but it's not simply because I know people who have spent decades looking and found nothing.
Now there's reason to discuss what 'evidence' means - which has been discussed here on this forum ad nauseam - so we'll use the definition of the word here: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
But that's probably a discussion for another thread, I suspect.
Once that's taken care of I could potentially buy into "Upon discovery, one is led to understand that while that Mind is is far better position than our individuate human minds, it is nonetheless still learning itself...'how to be a "God" as it were."
Maybe. Maybe not. TBH, I can get lost in 'who said what where' so if so, and I missed it, my apologies.Did I say it already in this thread?
Maybe not.
Thanks for that. But my experience has shown, the bolded section isn't true.My understanding of The Mind Behind Creation [aka The Father, God et al] is that it is intimately engaged with said creation and can be discovered therein by the individual seeking evidence of its existence.
Let's say 100 people are 'seeking' and 10 people 'find it'. That either means one group is lying in some form or fashion or it's true.
If it's true, does this mean 90% weren't looking hard enough? Not in the right places? Weren't privileged enough to have the 'truth' given to them? That's not something that makes sense to me - I can't buy that.
I'd be far more likely to believe that the 10% are lying or found what they consider to be right/correct, but it's not simply because I know people who have spent decades looking and found nothing.
Now there's reason to discuss what 'evidence' means - which has been discussed here on this forum ad nauseam - so we'll use the definition of the word here: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
But that's probably a discussion for another thread, I suspect.
Led by whom? What? How does one know? Is it innate? That seems like an almost ambiguous wording. And for me, until it's clarified, I can't buy it, either.Upon discovery, one is led to understand
Once that's taken care of I could potentially buy into "Upon discovery, one is led to understand that while that Mind is is far better position than our individuate human minds, it is nonetheless still learning itself...'how to be a "God" as it were."
Have a great, potentially godless, day!
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Re: Can god do anything?
Post #72I accept that as par for the course. It in no way takes anything away from my own experience that it is true.nobspeople wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:19 pm [Replying to William in post #70]
Maybe. Maybe not. TBH, I can get lost in 'who said what where' so if so, and I missed it, my apologies.Did I say it already in this thread?
Maybe not.
Thanks for that. But my experience has shown, the bolded section isn't true.My understanding of The Mind Behind Creation [aka The Father, God et al] is that it is intimately engaged with said creation and can be discovered therein by the individual seeking evidence of its existence.
What I said we should be seeking is evidence. Therefore those who find it are those who are looking for it, if indeed what they are looking for can be found.Let's say 100 people are 'seeking' and 10 people 'find it'. That either means one group is lying in some form or fashion or it's true.
The evidence can be presented and therein reasons as to why it is accepted/rejected can then be ascertained as to the matter of 'truth' or 'lies'.
It could be any of those reasons and more besides. Thus buying into any one of those reasons while dismissing any other of those reasons out of hand, would probably constitute an act of dishonesty.If it's true, does this mean 90% weren't looking hard enough? Not in the right places? Weren't privileged enough to have the 'truth' given to them? That's not something that makes sense to me - I can't buy that.
My strategy is to remain open until sufficient evidence allows one to rationally dismiss claims regarding the evidence which have clearly been shown to not have to be taken seriously.I'd be far more likely to believe that the 10% are lying or found what they consider to be right/correct, but it's not simply because I know people who have spent decades looking and found nothing.
Yes. Who gets to say what the definition for anything truthful should be? Some things are naturally easier to categorize. The mind is not one of those things. However, who is denying minds exist?Now there's reason to discuss what 'evidence' means - which has been discussed here on this forum ad nauseam - so we'll use the definition of the word here: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
But that's probably a discussion for another thread, I suspect.
Upon discovery, one is led to understand
Re our human experience, we are limited in what we can be lead by. Even so, it is still rather complicated and for me at least, the journey continues and may take more than one human lifetime to accumulate enough answers in order to move on gracefully. I reserve the right to be wrong about that though. I may already be able to move on gracefully...Led by whom? What? How does one know? Is it innate? That seems like an almost ambiguous wording. And for me, until it's clarified, I can't buy it, either.
The Mind is not so limited so it defers to me as the individual mind to trust in processes to show themselves to my awareness aligned with my willingness to be shown things which might well near blow my mind. It is to be expected, if indeed there is such a Mind behind Creation. We can tell that by simply studying natures complexity and our part within that complexity.
Yes. That is the natural outcome...once 'the other' is taken care of...Once that's taken care of I could potentially buy into "Upon discovery, one is led to understand that while that Mind is is far better position than our individuate human minds, it is nonetheless still learning itself...'how to be a "God" as it were."
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Re: Can god do anything?
Post #73[Replying to William in post #72]
One wouldn't expect it to take anything away, I'd suspect. Though there are some that might.It in no way takes anything away from my own experience that it is true.
Just like there are those who are looking for it and never find it, as well.Therefore those who find it are those who are looking for it, if indeed what they are looking for can be found.
Have a great, potentially godless, day!