Should we expect a Christian organization to protect children better than this?

[Tcg]

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Some argue that sexual abuse takes place in many organizations and that we shouldn't expect Christian organizations to be any different. Recent evidence, however, reveals that one specific Christian organization has the worst record for sexual abuse of children outside of only the "circle of family and friends."

More than 200,000 children sexually abused by French Catholic clergy, landmark report finds

Presenting the findings of the investigation on Tuesday, Sauvé said children were more likely to be abused within Catholic Church settings than in state-run schools or in summer camps -- or in any setting other than the family.

"The Catholic Church is, after the circle of family and friends, the environment where the prevalence of abuses is the highest by a significant margin," Sauvé told a news conference.

The problem was systemic, and the sexual violence was not limited to "a few black sheep that strayed from the flock," Sauvé told CNN ahead of the report's publication. "When it was informed of abuses, [the Church] did not take the strict measures necessary to protect children from predators."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/05/europe/f ... index.html

Of course we know that the Catholic church is not the only Christian organization where both sexual abuse of children and its systematic cover-up have taken place. Both the JWs and Southern Baptists have been in the news lately with reports of both.

If the claim that Christianity leads to more moral living is true, should we expect this finding?

Should we expect a Christian organization to protect children better than this?


Tcg

[nobspeople]

Should we assume then that the good Christian should:

Before doing anything, it would be good to read the whole book, not just parts that atheists seem to like. Otherwise one might make bad mistake and kill someone even though he is not allowed to do so.

So, if the one part of the Bible directs you to kill homosexuals, how does reading the whole book change that? If there is another part that you can somehow use as a loophole to get you out of carrying out that command, then why is it there at all?

I know christians that have 'read the whole bible' - some many times. And it doesn't matter. They simply choose what to listen to and what to ignore, based on current social and moral code.
So, you can read the bible 100 times a year for 50 years, and select what you want to follow and what to ignore (using whatever biblical contortionism you can).
It's easy for christians to claim 'read and follow the whole bible' yet it's more difficult to follow their conviction they're telling others to follow.

[1213]

...if the one part of the Bible directs you to kill homosexuals, how does reading the whole book change that?...

By reading the whole book, you could see, who has the right, who are judges by that law and what are the rules for judges.

[1213]

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1213, do you have a method to determine which parts of the Bible are applicable and which ones aren't? Simply reading the entire Bible isn't going to cut it.

Yes, read the whole book, then you see to whom and to what situation and by what way the rule should be used. If one cuts one verse, without looking the context, it is easy to go astray.

[Gracchus]

[Replying to Tcg in post #1]
History would indicate that such expectation is unwarranted, and even naive.

[brunumb]

...if the one part of the Bible directs you to kill homosexuals, how does reading the whole book change that?...

By reading the whole book, you could see, who has the right, who are judges by that law and what are the rules for judges.

The Bible is a composite of many books by many authors writing at different times. So when a passage in one section tells you to kill homosexuals you expect all the guidelines to be there as well. It is ridiculous to think that they will appear many generations later to other people. And when they do appear elsewhere you expect some reference to killing homosexuals to be made as well. This piecemeal approach is actually just trying to retrofit excuses and loopholes into biblical instructions that no longer appear moral or savory.

[benchwarmer]

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1213, do you have a method to determine which parts of the Bible are applicable and which ones aren't? Simply reading the entire Bible isn't going to cut it.

Yes, read the whole book, then you see to whom and to what situation and by what way the rule should be used. If one cuts one verse, without looking the context, it is easy to go astray.

Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt.

I found this while performing that exercise:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... rsion=NRSV

18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.

If heaven is still there (no idea, can't see it, so maybe that part has happened) and the earth is still here (yup, staring right at it), then the law is still in effect. Also, many things are still to be accomplished unless all who will be in heaven (if it's still there) are actually in it.

So, what steps can one take now to reconcile the various (often contradictory and/or morally questionable) rules we find?

Help us out 1213, you seem to have figured it out.

[1213]

... then the law is still in effect. Also, many things are still to be accomplished unless all who will be in heaven...

Bible tells God set certain people to be judges. The one who are judges, can judge. Are you a judge, set by God? If not, then why would you act like one? The law is is valid, but it does not make everyone who manages to read few passages of Bible a judge.

[1213]

The Bible is a composite of many books by many authors writing at different times. So when a passage in one section tells you to kill homosexuals ...

Yes, Bible also gives other rules for judges that should be noticed, before judging. Also, I don't think Bible makes all people judges. But, if you think you are a Jew and judge, by the Biblical law, I think you should read all the inductions for judges, before making judgments.

[benchwarmer]

... then the law is still in effect. Also, many things are still to be accomplished unless all who will be in heaven...

Bible tells God set certain people to be judges. The one who are judges, can judge. Are you a judge, set by God? If not, then why would you act like one? The law is is valid, but it does not make everyone who manages to read few passages of Bible a judge.

You have, unsurprisingly, completely side stepped the question.

I asked for a method beyond simply reading the entire Bible. Now you are talking about judges. You have skipped some steps.

What laws are we to follow and how do we know? If you say 'read the whole Bible' again, I think readers will clearly see what's happening.

[1213]

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What laws are we to follow and how do we know? If you say 'read the whole Bible' again, I think readers will clearly see what's happening.

My point was, the law is valid, but not all are judges set by God. This means, it is for example still wrong to murder, but, if you are not a judge, set by God, then your job is not to judge, even if someone has done wrong things. And, if you believe God set you to be judge, I think you should follow all the rules Bible has for judges.

I don't say you can't judge, but if you do so, it would be good to know also this:

...whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you."
Mat. 7:1-2