historia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:14 pm
That doesn't matter to the definition.
The
primary definition of
sect is "a dissenting or schismatic religious body," so Merriam Webster. In other words, one that "deviates from a generally accepted religious tradition," per the dictionary.com definition.
Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses recognize that they are dissenting groups that have broken away from mainstream Christianity, and so it is accurate to call them "sects."
That's precisely how I used the term. So your assertion that "nowhere is the word SECT defined as the way you put it" is simply wrong. Moreover, this is a completely inconsequential point in our discussion.
Bring the proof where JW and mormans consider themselves as "sects". They consider you as a "sect" as well. They consider you the dissidents of the true faith.
And what about the other definitions from Webster?
A group of people forming a distinct unit within a larger group by virtue of certain refinements or distinctions of belief or practice.
A religious body, especially one that has separated from a larger denomination.
A faction united by common interests or beliefs.
You forgot about the other 2 definitions which still favor me. But you want people to be ignorant of the facts, I get it.
You know who else separated from the mainstream catholics? That's right, the protestants. They viewed the mainstream catholic as corrupt and you know the rest:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Protestantism
The protestants viewed catholics as the dissidents with their corruption. And look at the aftermath we have today.
So just because you think catholic is mainstream and the true religion doesn't mean other denominations agree. In fact many of them diverted away from your branch because they found your branch to be a false religion. So essentially you are still a
SECT in every other denomination's eyes.
Oh and by the way, catholicism delineates from a religion formed from
ARAMAIC origins. That's right, catholicism is not even really mainstream. The
mainstream comes from an
Aramaic synagogue during the life of Jesus. Jesus
didn't speak Italian or Slav Russian. Did you not know that?
Am I educating you here today? Do you need me to familiarize you with which language he spoke?
So, in reality your
SECT is not so special or mainstream after all. You're just in fantasy land here.
historia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:14 pm
tonjun wrote: ↑Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:45 pm
If you are essentially saying that Jesus is a human and not God, you and I already agree there.
POST 38 No, again, what I'm pointing out is that, in orthodox Christian theology, Jesus has two natures: he is
both human
and divine. So Jesus being human does not entail the conclusion he is "not God."
historia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 17, 2021 4:33 pm
POST# 35 At any rate, you seem to have missed the fact that I'm largely
agreeing with the point you made. Your phrasing was a bit awkward, but nevertheless captures the essential point that, in Christian theology,
Jesus is not God in the simplistic way that tonjun imagines.
Right right... Jesus is both man and divine. But he isn't God, as you said so yourself.
Thank you. Case closed.
As a side note, this is why religious people display lots of behaviors of mental illness. It's upholding contradictory notions like this and then within that, contradicting oneself during the process that likely causes people to lose sense of reality en-masse.
Just compare your post 35 to 38. Clear as day.