What's jesus's primary message?

[nobspeople]

One a different thread, ostend said:

At the risk of proposing another heresy, I don't believe the primary message Jesus preached was to get people saved so they can enter the celestial heaven after they die. Yes, it's important, who wants to go to hell? But, it was not Jesus's primary message.

Who wants to go to hell? Indeed. Likely no one 'wants to', which is one reason christianity is as successful as it is: fear of hell (throw in guilt and you have a winner, baby!).

That aside, it's taught jesus came to earth (god became man and other malarkey that not every one believes) to be a sacrifice for mankind. Sacrifice for what? Their sins, it seems. This would, again, seem to open a pathway to heaven.
But, if, as osteng believes, that's not jesus's primary message, what was it?
Was it successful?
I don't know of anything else he did, aside from starting a religion which, successful as it may seem when counting heads in pews, it's not difficult to do as the testament of the myriad of other religions that existed before and after his lifetime.

[Noose001]

But in post 119, when asked if it was successful, you said "Very succesful ". Can you clarify why you previous said "Very succesful " and now saying "It's not about being succesful or not, it is creation."? Was it an error?
Additionally, can you clarify what you mean by "...it is creation." and how it applies here in specific detail?

God is a creator so He creates. In the same manner a teacher is a teacher because he/she teaches; whether the students get it or not. Either, a teacher is succesful.just because they teach and God because He creates.

It's creation because we are in creation right now. As a panentheist, i believe God 'creates by becoming'; a good person will be in the next world with the experience of good and evil, a bad person will be in the next world as darkness which gives meaning to light.

[nobspeople]

[Replying to Noose001 in post #31]

Either, a teacher is succesful.just because they teach and God because He creates.

Ah. So, jesus is successful simply because it's been created?
So then, if there was no creation, there would be no success? But this would mean the good and bad, yes?

Is there anything else god could have done other than 'create'?

[1213]

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I fail to find a logical connection between the authority to forgive transgressions against divine law ...

If we look what happened before it, the story tells Jesus forgave sins and scribes and the Pharisees thought he has no right for that. And for to prove he has the authority, Jesus healed the man. I don't think it means the sickness was because of the mans sin, all though I believe sickness can be the result of sinfulness. I understand sin means person rejects, or is without God. That can have many unfortunate results, when one is without God and His protection.

[Noose001]

[Replying to Noose001 in post #31]

Either, a teacher is succesful.just because they teach and God because He creates.

Ah. So, jesus is successful simply because it's been created?
So then, if there was no creation, there would be no success? But this would mean the good and bad, yes?

Is there anything else god could have done other than 'create'?

I don't believe creation is done; we are still in creation.

God is a creator so he creates
He is a judge so he judges
He is a savior so he saves
He is merciful so he brings to light from darkness (creates) those that will brought to light.

And many more. Yet everything falls under creation.

A teacher is succesful in two ways:
1. If they teach, even if the students dont get it
2. If majority of the students get it

[nobspeople]

[Replying to Noose001 in post #31]

Either, a teacher is succesful.just because they teach and God because He creates.

Ah. So, jesus is successful simply because it's been created?
So then, if there was no creation, there would be no success? But this would mean the good and bad, yes?

Is there anything else god could have done other than 'create'?

I don't believe creation is done; we are still in creation.

God is a creator so he creates
He is a judge so he judges
He is a savior so he saves
He is merciful so he brings to light from darkness (creates) those that will brought to light.

And many more. Yet everything falls under creation.

A teacher is succesful in two ways:
1. If they teach, even if the students dont get it
2. If majority of the students get it

So it's impossible for god to fail, is that a correct statement?

[Noose001]

So it's impossible for god to fail, is that a correct statement?

God is perfect but the medium through which he does his work (man) is imperfect. A perfect man is God.

[nobspeople]

So it's impossible for god to fail, is that a correct statement?

God is perfect but the medium through which he does his work (man) is imperfect. A perfect man is God.

Not speaking about man, but god.
Is god in capable of failing?

[JoeyKnothead]

What was Jesus' primary message?

Y'all quit being all proud, 'cept to be proud of me, I'm God'n all !

How successful was (or wasn't) he at that?

Well, bout that...

He was successful enough to get the Christian Taliban to seek to promote their backwards idio-theocity in the US.


Ever notice how it is, we gotta rely us on humans to tell us what it is, God thinks?

It's as if God only exists in the minds of theists.

[nobspeople]

What was Jesus' primary message?

Y'all quit being all proud, 'cept to be proud of me, I'm God'n all !

How successful was (or wasn't) he at that?

Well, bout that...

He was successful enough to get the Christian Taliban to seek to promote their backwards idio-theocity in the US.


Ever notice how it is, we gotta rely us on humans to tell us what it is, God thinks?

It's as if God only exists in the minds of theists.

That last point is quite a good one. We read how god spoke to people in the bible, oft times verbally it seems. Yet, we don't see it as much today as you'd expect. Billions and billions of people on the planet, millions and millions of christians, compared to a likely smaller amount spoken about in the bible, you'd expect, by percentage, to see more today.
Maybe humanity is 'too savage' today compared to the stoning and crucifying people of jesus's day....?

[JoeyKnothead]

God is a creator so He creates.

Your difficulty here is in showing ya speak truth.

In the same manner a teacher is a teacher because he/she teaches; whether the students get it or not. Either, a teacher is succesful.just because they teach and God because He creates.

And again here, where you declare as fact that which ain't in evidence...

"God because he creates".

Not nowhere, not nohow've you've offered us any means to confirm you speak the truth about this here.

It's creation because we are in creation right now.

Assumes facts... don't get ahead of me here... which ain't in evidence.

We observe the universe. That's it.

We can't no more say it was created than we can say Aunt Beulah's sexy at her four hunderd and some odd pounds.

As a panentheist, i believe God 'creates by becoming'; a good person will be in the next world with the experience of good and evil, a bad person will be in the next world as darkness which gives meaning to light.

Your belief has it no more evidence to it than my belief the pretty thing's trying to kill me by them little green peas - and I have evidence of her akeeping on fixing em.

You're claims are so lacking in merit, so lacking in an nth of evidentiary value, we gotta now fetch on off to the edit the wiki page about it.